2010 Winter Testing

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Danlizzyman
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myurr wrote:
Danlizzyman wrote:That really just shows that it's impossible to tell at this stage who has the ultimate pace, can't wait for Barcelona and hopefully some low fuel runs! I have a feeling it's Mclaren and Red Bull on raw pace at the moment, with Ferrari able to match them on race pace. Mercedes are still an unknown in my book, but they WILL be quick by Bahrain.
Pretty much what Geoff Willis said to James Allen - McLaren and Redbull up front, Mercedes and Ferrari slightly behind.
Cool! I'm sure his opinion was based in fact, not like my 'look at times and guess' approach!

Even though I was initially against the ban on refuelling, I think it will be interesting to see the difference in car performance between quali and the race this year. A car thats the quickest in low fuel conditions could be slower than others on full tanks, or vice versa. So even if we do get to see low fuel runs in Barca, we still won't have a definitive answer as to who has race-winning pace.

myurr
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I'm sure that Geoff spoke to people he knows and looked at the times and made a relatively informed guess, but it'll still be a guess none the less. Probably a little more accurate and well informed than the posters on this board though, myself included.

As a supporter of the refueling ban I too am hopeful that there will be some interesting variations in form throughout qualifying and the race. I think it was Coulthard that was an early proponent for that reason, believing that the balance of the cars would change throughout the race putting more onus on the skill and adaptability of the drivers - which can only be a good thing.

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shotzski
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What is Geoff Willis' role during the testing sessions? I thought he's with the Mclaren team because of his jacket.
http://f1.gpupdate.net/en/photolarge.ph ... catID=4645

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ringo
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someone brought a high speed camera along:

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bt2J73MioJw[/youtube]
For Sure!!

Ganxxta
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Nice shots, would be great to see some (real) High Speed Cams during GP Weekends :shock: The slo-mo´s are awesome :mrgreen:

Pedro
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Jerez (only)

Jerez times - summary:
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Distance (km) covered by teams in Jerez:
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Distance (km) covered by engine manufactures in Jerez:

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Charts - distance by teams (left) by engine manufacturers (right):

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Source: F1news.cz
http://f1news.cz/novinky/34044-shrnuti- ... -v-jerezu/
Last edited by Pedro on 14 Feb 2010, 11:17, edited 3 times in total.
Source: F1news.cz
http://www.f1news.cz

Pedro
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Jerez & Valencia summary

Total distance covered by drivers in Valencia and Jerez altogether:

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Total distance in both tests by teams:
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Total distance in both tests by engine manufacturers:
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Charts - total distance covered in Jerez and Valencia
(by teams - left; by engine manufacturers - right):

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http://f1news.cz/novinky/34044-shrnuti- ... -v-jerezu/
Source: F1news.cz
http://www.f1news.cz

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Mr Alcatraz
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Given this info :roll: It apears that Ferrari (if it came down to it) would win a war of attrition!
If they are off the pace at races when it counts, it looks like thry may be able to trade sone reliability for perfomance!
Naturally Felipe was asked if after a week of tests he feels as if he could win the title: "For sure we can say that we’ve got a reliable car, but it’s much too early for the rest, although I really hope so. The one who does the best work, day after day on the track and at home, wins the title. I’m not the most important thing here. What counts is that we know that we’ve got a fast and constant car.”
http://www.f1technical.net/news/14211?u ... ne+news%29

Now there is this hogwash created by the Spanish Press:
According to reports in the Spanish press, Massa hit out at Alonso saying the Spaniard needs to work harder to integrate himself with Ferrari.

He added that Alonso is no longer the best driver in Formula One now that Michael Schumacher has returned
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http://www.f1technical.net/news/14211?u ... ne+news%29

Ferrari have been quick to put out the fires, saying that the article in the Spanish press had "incorrectly reprinted some of Felipe's statements he made in an interview given to a Brazilian website."

http://www.autotrader.co.uk/f1/story/0, ... 67,00.html
Someone wanted to talk about the article published in a Spanish magazine some days ago, asking Felipe what he thinks about the ongoing discussion: “Look, I can only say that Fernando and I had a laugh! Let’s not loose time with these things.”
http://www.f1technical.net/news/14211?u ... ne+news%29
Those who believe in telekinetics raise my hand

snowy
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Hello there :D

I am wondering if any here has any information or lap times from Felipe Massa's 57lap run yesterday morning?

This is all that I have managed to cobble together from reviewing the live feeds. Unfortunately Williams Live Timing feed was on the blink in the morning else I would have caught more of the lap times myself.

Stints from Saturday

Felipe 57 laps
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1:25:957
1:25:021
1:24:599
1:24:022
1:23:941
Then some
1:23's
Followed by
1:22's

And the possibility that he deliberately ran out of fuel...

snowy
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Lewis's two long runs that may well have been one long one were it not for the red flag coming out for Michael (again the possibility that Mercedes were testing the limits of their car on fumes)

Lewis
1:25.730
1:26.209
1:24.760
1:24.416
1:24.065
1:24.362
1:24.424
1:24.304
1:24.345
1:24.370
1:24.665
1:24.178
1:24.215
1:24.063
1:24.494
1:24.469
1:24.695
1:24.572
1:24.498
1:24.620
1:24.828
1:24.888
1:25.007
1:25.074
1:25.177

Run interupted by M. Schumacher stopping on track
Lewis resumes completing another 24 laps Ending with:
?:??.???
1:23.469
1:23.393
1:24.234
1:23.734
1:23.428
1:23.365
1:23.377
1:29.318
1:23.965
1:23.772
1:23.863
1:24.215
1:24.424
1:24.445
1:27.173
1:25.100


Some of Schuey's stints from yesterday:

1:22.000
1:20.971
1:20.944
1:20.613
1:21.111
1:20.613
1:20.661
1:20.895
1:21.830
1:20.915
1:21.662

und:
1:21.930
1:22.363
1:22.292
1:23.058
1:23.292
1:23.098
1:23.226

Felipe
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1:23.806
1:22.422
1:22.058
1:21.959
1:22.101
1:22.483
1:22.042
1:21.850
pit

Di Grassi

01 — 01:33.0
02 — 01:29.7
03 — 01:28.2
04 — 01:27.8
05 — 01:28.1
06 — 01:28.6
07 — 01:27.7
08 — 01:27.4
09 — 01:32.1
10 — 01:27.7
01 — 01:33.0
02 — 01:29.7
03 — 01:28.2
04 — 01:27.8
05 — 01:28.1
06 — 01:28.6
07 — 01:27.7
08 — 01:27.4
09 — 01:32.1
10 — 01:27.7

snowy
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I had a stroke of luck and found Felipe's laps for the entire day posted on TheScuderia.net. I am very pleased that I persisted in this quest:

Felipe's laps
0 ----
3 1:29.010
4 1:28.299 -0.711
5 ----
6 1:28.299
7 1:32.247 +3.948
8 1:31.008 -1.239
9 1:31.402 +0.394
10 1:31.004 -0.398
11 1:31.950 +0.946
12 ----
13 1:31.950
14 1:29.165 -2.785
15 1:29.153 -0.012
16 1:29.454 +0.301
17 1:28.892 -0.562
18 ----
19 1:28.892
20 1:29.556 +0.664
21 1:29.387 -0.169
22 1:29.249 -0.138
23 1:29.820 +0.571
24 1:29.519 -0.301
25 1:29.650 +0.131
26 1:29.428 -0.222
27 1:29.680 +0.252
28 ----
29 1:29.680
30 ----
31 1:28.839
59 1:23.847 -4.992
60 1:24.186 +0.339
61 1:24.108 -0.078
62 1:23.847 -0.261
63 1:24.083 +0.236
64 1:24.195 +0.112
65 1:24.235 +0.04
66 1:25.103 +0.868
67 1:23.957 -1.146
68 1:24.365 +0.408
69 1:24.498 +0.133
70 1:25.134 +0.636
71 1:24.826 -0.308
72 1:24.389 -0.437
73 1:24.558 +0.169
74 1:24.553 -0.005
75 1:24.424 -0.129
76 1:25.199 +0.775
77 1:25.169 -0.03
78 1:24.433 -0.736
79 1:24.652 +0.219
80 1:24.048 -0.604
81 1:24.173 +0.125
82 1:24.057 -0.116
83 1:23.858 -0.199
84 1:24.548 +0.69
85 1:31.253 +6.705
86 1:23.453 -7.8
87 1:23.073 -0.38
88 1:25.199 +2.126
89 1:24.273 -0.926
90 1:22.872 -1.401
91 1:22.697 -0.175
92 1:23.219 +0.522
93 1:22.736 -0.483
94 1:22.641 -0.095
95 ----
96 1:22.641
97 1:22.071 -0.57
98 1:23.808 +1.737
99 1:22.263 -1.545
100 1:22.375 +0.112
101 1:23.098 +0.723
102 1:22.835 -0.263
106 1:23.806 +0.971
107 ----
108 1:22.422
109 1:22.058 -0.364
110 1:21.959 -0.099
111 1:21.850 -0.109
112 1:22.101 +0.251
113 1:22.483 +0.382
114 1:22.042 -0.441
115 ----
116 1:22.042
117 1:21.811 -0.231
118 1:21.959 +0.148
119 1:22.156 +0.197
120 1:22.289 +0.133
121 1:22.736 +0.447
122 1:22.617 -0.119
123 1:22.600 -0.017

djones
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Whens the next test please?

snowy
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Wednesday 17th

djones
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Last year was the brawn fastest in testing or was it like the merc now, then all of a sudden at the first race they showed their hand?

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Roland Ehnström
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djones wrote:Last year was the brawn fastest in testing or was it like the merc now, then all of a sudden at the first race they showed their hand?
Brawn was fastest right away when the tested at Barcelona last year. It was very evident that they had an advantage. Some were talking about them running light to get sponsors, but that was obviousely not the case. Red Bull also looked fast in testing last year, especially at Jerez, while it was clear that McLaren were 1-2 seconds a lap off the pace. It was also easy to see that Renault were off the pace in testing last year.

This year it has so far been less obvious who are fast and who are not, but I think it's reasonably safe to say that Ferrari are competitive, and probably McLaren too. I'm not completely sure about Mercedes and Red Bull yet, but I guess they will be right up there once the season starts. Sauber look pretty good so far, a bit of a dark horse really. Williams and Renault seem a bit off the pace. Virgin look very slow... Too little info on the other teams.