Team: Stefano Domenicali (TP), Mario Almondo (Director of Operations), Aldo Costa (TD), Nicolas Tombazis (CD), Luca Marmorini (HE) Drivers: Felipe Massa (7), Fernando Alonso (8)
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djos wrote:It's really simple imo, the rings act as nozzles accelerating the air out from inside the wheels and cooling the brakes faster.
That's what I was getting at, but I think I was rebuffed. Maybe?
I wouldn't pay to much attention to what Tazio says considering his recent behaviour!
The cone shape of the wheel nut is likely to be for simplicity's sake more than anything else as it means the rattle-gun can be inserted without having to line it up with anything except the existing "fingers" on the end of the gun.
The 2 "wings" extending from the side of the cone are obviously the locking mechanism - when pushed in by the gun they unlock and when the gun is removed they spring back out locking the wheel nut in place ... simple and ingenious imo. =D>
It is a brilliant idea. Genius in its simplicity. Am I correct in assuming these two wings when they pop out after a wheel has been changed is the same function as when the wheels are traditionally changed the wheel gunner pulls what looks like a little pin out of the centre?
(dunno if I was clear with that question or not...lol)
Silence is golden when you don't know a good answer.
in fact these are not locking pieces,they are simply there to prevent a wheel nut that has come loose to get undone from the hub...that is not a locking mechanism that is a safety item it traps the loose wheelnut on the spindle.
djos wrote:The cone shape of the wheel nut is likely to be for simplicity's sake more than anything else as it means the rattle-gun can be inserted without having to line it up with anything except the existing "fingers" on the end of the gun.
Cone performs guiding function, just like you described in this post. Pretty clever solution.
Locked with the nut. Secured by the spring loaded pins.
Obviously wheel covers are still within the FIA regs, and it was only FOTA that agreed to not use them, so i wonder what the FOTA agreement's specific wording was.
Ferrari have obviously found a loophole within FOTA's wording, to run those black wheel covers.
i wonder what the other teams are thinking of this development, as there is no avenue for official protest..
cheeky to say the least!
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Fil wrote:Obviously wheel covers are still within the FIA regs, and it was only FOTA that agreed to not use them, so i wonder what the FOTA agreement's specific wording was.
Ferrari have obviously found a loophole within FOTA's wording, to run those black wheel covers.
i wonder what the other teams are thinking of this development, as there is no avenue for official protest..
cheeky to say the least!
FIA Regs wrote:The ducts may not rotate with the wheels nor may they, or any of their mountings, protrude axially beyond the outer face of the wheel fastener;
No part of the car, other than those specifically defined in Articles 12.8.1 and 12.8.2, may obscure any part of the wheel when viewed from the outside of the car towards the car centre line along the axis of the wheel
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12.8.1
The only parts which may be physically attached to the wheel in addition to the tyre are surface treatments
for appearance and protection, valves for filling and discharging the tyre, balance weights, drive pegs, tyre
pressure and temperature monitoring devices and spacers on the inboard mounting face of identical
specification on all wheels for the same axle
12.8.2
The wheel must be attached to the car with a single fastener. The outer diameter of the fastener must not
exceed 105mm and the axial length must not exceed 75mm. The wheel fastener may not attach or mount
any part to the car except the wheel assembly described in Article 12.8.1
If they are actually covers, i'm not sure how they're legal with the above in the rules. ^^
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This is probably not the most appropriate place to pose this question, however I don't, IMHFO think it deserves its own thread, and may have been addressed in another thread (The mods can move it if there is enough feedback) Every team has it's innovations. It's especially crucial in this era of virtuallyno in season practice.(possible conspiracy theory coming up)A lot has been made of Ferrari's apparent process of becoming an "all Italian team" (which of course it is not completely) most of it negative, and for reasons that make good sense. The British/French/Australian/Italian (I'll even through German in there as well to give Mike some credit other than just driving, in this arena) Brain-trust was extremely productive during the Ferrari Renaissance just prior to, and after the start of the new millennium. Then came Stepney-gate. It's arguable how much data and process was actually compromised. The Italian press insisted a lot, while the Anglo press suggested a little. I do know that Ferrari have been on their back foot since then. (for numerous reasons)
But the concept of a team player as valuable as Stepney, throwing his toys out of his pram, and becoming a turncoat, IMHFO may have something to do with this decision. As much as most people (including me) want to write it off as Luca di's ego trip. I'm starting to think the reasons were more meaningful, and possibly even profound.
It looked bad last year as SD made numerous bad decisions. One needs to take into account that besides having come up with a dog of a car, it was his rookie year, and perhaps deserves a little latitude because of it. Time will only tell. But I can't help but think there is a concerted effort (if not paranoia) on Ferrari's part to go to whatever lengths it deems necessary to assure it's intellectual property will never be compromised again!
Tazio wrote:But I can't help but think there is a concerted effort (if not paranoia) on Ferrari's part to go to whatever lengths it deems necessary to assure it's intellectual property will never be compromised again!
Luca is building his own mafia, where intellectual properties and integrity would be secured by the tough hand of cappo di tutti capi ?
It is a brilliant idea. Genius in its simplicity. Am I correct in assuming these two wings when they pop out after a wheel has been changed is the same function as when the wheels are traditionally changed the wheel gunner pulls what looks like a little pin out of the centre?
(dunno if I was clear with that question or not...lol)
Fil wrote:Obviously wheel covers are still within the FIA regs, and it was only FOTA that agreed to not use them, so i wonder what the FOTA agreement's specific wording was.
Ferrari have obviously found a loophole within FOTA's wording, to run those black wheel covers.
i wonder what the other teams are thinking of this development, as there is no avenue for official protest..
cheeky to say the least!
FIA Regs wrote:The ducts may not rotate with the wheels nor may they, or any of their mountings, protrude axially beyond the outer face of the wheel fastener;
No part of the car, other than those specifically defined in Articles 12.8.1 and 12.8.2, may obscure any part of the wheel when viewed from the outside of the car towards the car centre line along the axis of the wheel
---
12.8.1
The only parts which may be physically attached to the wheel in addition to the tyre are surface treatments
for appearance and protection, valves for filling and discharging the tyre, balance weights, drive pegs, tyre
pressure and temperature monitoring devices and spacers on the inboard mounting face of identical
specification on all wheels for the same axle
12.8.2
The wheel must be attached to the car with a single fastener. The outer diameter of the fastener must not
exceed 105mm and the axial length must not exceed 75mm. The wheel fastener may not attach or mount
any part to the car except the wheel assembly described in Article 12.8.1
If they are actually covers, i'm not sure how they're legal with the above in the rules. ^^
That's the beauty of this design, they are not covers, they are part of the wheel and most likely not removable (welded on).
The thing is,like someone said,if this is a BBS patent and not Ferrari's (cause they have the BBS logo on),wouldn't other teams take advantage of it on their own cars??
Actually is there any other team that uses BBS rims in 2010?I couldn find any info on that.
