Ferrari F10

[imightbewrong]

12.8.1 The only parts which may be physically attached to the wheel in addition to the tyre are surface treatments for appearance and protection

I think what they introduced can fit the above.

I also can't understand that wheel covers banned by FOTA are different, it is also clear that the motivation for banning them was safety, and what Ferrari introduced does not go against that.

MOVABLE AERO. MOVABLE AERO. MOVABLE AERO. MOVABLE AERO. MOVABLE AERO. MOVABLE AERO.

Or are you saying it's okay to design spokes like fan blades? I can just imagine the uproar from Ferrari fan boys had one of the other teams done just that.

http://www.f1technical.net/development/178

[bonjon1979]

What a bunch of disingenuous whiners. If Mclaren came up with these wheels, you would be talking about their design genious. But big,bad Ferrari did it so it must be illegal. I bet they stay all season as they're not breaking any rules.

I honestly don't give a monkeys that ferrari have developed this. It's not exactly difficult to do or conceive. if other teams want to they'd be able to do it within a couple of weeks. All I'm questioning is how it's inside the laws which have been variously quoted above. It's going to get them at most a tenth but personally I think we'll see them outlawed come bahrain as the ferrari's exhausts that extended beyond the engine cover were last year. It's no biggie.

[myurr]

It isn't illegal to design spokes like a fan blade

Of course it is - movable aerodynamic surfaces are banned. Otherwise the teams would all be doing this already.

What a bunch of disingenuous whiners. If Mclaren came up with these wheels, you would be talking about their design genious. But big,bad Ferrari did it so it must be illegal. I bet they stay all season as they're not breaking any rules.

As I stated before there is nothing ingenious about the design of these wheels, merely Ferrari's bending of the rules.

[bonjon1979]

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http://www.f1technical.net/development/178[/quote]

They got around the law on movable aero last year because they were allowed to have rims that had the purpose of providing brake cooling (which these could be argued did) I believe that the rules changed last year to close the loop hole as these rims are no longer being used by Toyota.

[myurr]

http://www.f1technical.net/development/178

To quote your name, I might be wrong, but those farings did not rotate - they were fixed to the hub like all other wheel covers. That is how the teams got around the movable aero rules, they fixed the wheel covers to the hub and claimed that they were part of the brake duct.

They worked with the way the air was rotating in order to efficiently extract that air.

[imightbewrong]

http://www.f1technical.net/development/178

To quote your name, I might be wrong, but those farings did not rotate - they were fixed to the hub like all other wheel covers. That is how the teams got around the movable aero rules, they fixed the wheel covers to the hub and claimed that they were part of the brake duct.

They worked with the way the air was rotating in order to efficiently extract that air.

Okay, sounds reasonable.

[Kester]

myurr, seems as you keep shouting about it, can you define moveable aero for us?

[wesley123]

It isn't illegal to design spokes like a fan blade

Of course it is - movable aerodynamic surfaces are banned. Otherwise the teams would all be doing this already.

ban the rim then, they too have an aerodynamic effect on the airflow, really what you saying is bullcrap, then alot wouldnt be allowed, as long as it still is a rim it is legal lol, so as long it is simgle piece...

[bonjon1979]

It isn't illegal to design spokes like a fan blade

Of course it is - movable aerodynamic surfaces are banned. Otherwise the teams would all be doing this already.

ban the rim then, they too have an aerodynamic effect on the airflow, really what you saying is bullcrap, then alot wouldnt be allowed, as long as it still is a rim it is legal lol, so as long it is simgle piece...

You're wrong. The rim is defined as part of 'the wheel' in the regulations so it is allowed to move.

Have a read:


Definition of wheel

1.5 Wheel :
Flange and rim.

1.6 Complete wheel :
Wheel and inflated tyre. The complete wheel is considered part of the suspension system.

12.8 Wheel assembly :
12.8.1 The only parts which may be physically attached to the wheel in addition to the tyre are surface treatments for appearance and protection, valves for filling and discharging the tyre, balance weights, drive pegs, tyre pressure and temperature monitoring devices and spacers on the inboard mounting face of identical specification on all wheels for the same axle.

Exclusion zone

12.4.5 No wheel material is permitted in the following exclusion zones :
- A concentric cylinder of diameter 305mm and length 115mm positioned with its inner face lying in the same plane as the inboard face of the front wheel ;
- A concentric cylinder of diameter 305mm and length 25mm positioned with its outer face lying in the same plane as the outboard face of the front wheel ;
- A concentric cylinder of diameter 305mm and length 100mm positioned with its inner face lying in the same plane as the inboard face of the rear wheel ;
- A concentric cylinder of diameter 305mm and length 30mm positioned with its outer face lying in the same plane as the outboard face of the rear wheel.

[Steven]

http://www.f1technical.net/development/178

To quote your name, I might be wrong, but those farings did not rotate - they were fixed to the hub like all other wheel covers. That is how the teams got around the movable aero rules, they fixed the wheel covers to the hub and claimed that they were part of the brake duct.

They worked with the way the air was rotating in order to efficiently extract that air.

Actually, the quoted fairing of Toyota's rear wheels were moving with the wheel. They were similar to Ferrari's first fairings as they are glued onto the rim. At the time they were claimed to be a part of the braking system, or even more a part of the rim.

Remember that Ferrari first introduced a moving rim that was allowed (and later copied by Toyota and Renault). It was only later that the Scuderia introduced a static rim, which many teams have copied since.
http://www.f1technical.net/development/90
http://www.f1technical.net/development/95

[Poleman]

I am amazed by the fact that the F10 thread needed something controversial to get some pages going on...

[imightbewrong]

http://www.f1technical.net/development/178

To quote your name, I might be wrong, but those farings did not rotate - they were fixed to the hub like all other wheel covers. That is how the teams got around the movable aero rules, they fixed the wheel covers to the hub and claimed that they were part of the brake duct.

They worked with the way the air was rotating in order to efficiently extract that air.

Actually, the quoted fairing of Toyota's rear wheels were moving with the wheel. They were similar to Ferrari's first fairings as they are glued onto the rim. At the time they were claimed to be a part of the braking system, or even more a part of the rim.

Remember that Ferrari first introduced a moving rim that was allowed (and later copied by Toyota and Renault). It was only later that the Scuderia introduced a static rim, which many teams have copied since.
http://www.f1technical.net/development/90
http://www.f1technical.net/development/95

So there is a precedence, can we now stop this bickering about this for a while? At least until another team, the FIA, FOTA or someone else that actually has something to complain about say something about this?

[Pierce89]

It isn't illegal to design spokes like a fan blade

Of course it is - movable aerodynamic surfaces are banned. Otherwise the teams would all be doing this already.

What a bunch of disingenuous whiners. If Mclaren came up with these wheels, you would be talking about their design genious. But big,bad Ferrari did it so it must be illegal. I bet they stay all season as they're not breaking any rules.

As I stated before there is nothing ingenious about the design of these wheels, merely Ferrari's bending of the rules.

http://www.f1technical.net/development/178

[Pierce89]

if it is going to be a full part it is legal, then it is just an rim afterall

If you really want to go down that road then you're basically saying using the spokes as fan blades would be legal. If Ferrari do manage to argue that these wheels are legal in terms of these ducts being part of the hub, then surly they're still illegal under the movable aero rules.

http://www.f1technical.net/development/178

[bonjon1979]

if it is going to be a full part it is legal, then it is just an rim afterall

If you really want to go down that road then you're basically saying using the spokes as fan blades would be legal. If Ferrari do manage to argue that these wheels are legal in terms of these ducts being part of the hub, then surly they're still illegal under the movable aero rules.

http://www.f1technical.net/development/178

We're going around in circles and this post has no relevance whatsoever. This development on the toyota was from 2008. Rules have changed now making them illegal. Notice they don't appear on the toyota anymore.