2010 Winter Testing

[imightbewrong]

Plot with more focus on the afternoon long runs:


McLaren look a bit of the pace if you assume that they started their long run on the same fuel loads as eg. Force India (FI did a race simulation so they probably started with race distance fuel).

[Just_a_fan]

That would be in proper English?

"Proper" English? What other English is there?

[Just_a_fan]

Chuffin' Nora, into bloody British old bean?
Brilliant!
Pip pip, cherio, good on them, spot on!
Your in the pound seats!



I think you'll find that should be:
"cheerio" and
"you're in the pound seats".

Old boy.


That would be in proper English?

Nah i prefer saying it's Proper British [-X

No such language. There's English, Celtic and Gaelic (of various flavours)

[ESPImperium]

What i was thinking about pit stops, is that there could be 2 ways for making them faster. Both however require the dredded trafic light system that Ferarri use.

Firstly, have the lollypop guy have a switch in his hand and have him in a very central posistion (Yellow Dot) so he has full vision of both sides of the car, front and rear.

Secondly, this inviolves the jackmen. Instead of have them at the front and rear of the car, have them use something like the bit of gear that jackes the car up in the middle, but on both sides (They already have one in the middle of the wall side of the stop in the pic).




Im thinking outside the box here, but i think it could work. Even if the front jack guy went and let the front of the car to be done by that bit of gear they use when they are doing a front wing change, giving the guy with the switch for the trafic lights more of a feild of vision.

[Shafto]

i am sure it has been covered, but it is an easy question.

Do the teams only test with one car and switch out the seats for each driver? Does this minimize the chances of wrecking two cars instead of one?

Or do they use two cars?

[ESPImperium]

i am sure it has been covered, but it is an easy question.

Do the teams only test with one car and switch out the seats for each driver? Does this minimize the chances of wrecking two cars instead of one?

Or do they use two cars?

Before the 2009 season, theam were allowed 2 cars in pre-season, one car in-season and 2 cars post season. But wernt allowed to do more than 30,000km of testing each year. But with someone at the FIA and their wisdon thought they should only do single car teast from 2009 onward before the season, no mid season and single car post season tests. Call it cost cutting.

To answer the question, it was once 2, but is now one car. However, early in the test callender, teams generally only use one car and change it for each driver overnight. But once what would have taken overnight now takes roughly 45 mins to do as the teams have gottn it down to less than an hour to change the setup over for a driver to get his baseline, but still takes an hour or so to get nailed on his particular liking of setup.

The thing is that now that many teams have got their second chassis, or third chassis in the case of Ferarri, Renault and posibly McLaren and Mercedes, they will have 2 cars there for each driver.

Personally, id like to see 21 days pre season testing. Three, 3-day tests and three, 4-day tests. But with teams being allowed to use up to 2 cars if they have them avalable. But making it that each driver is allowed no more than 12 days test time in a car, thus getting test/reserve drivers in the picture and posibly a few development drivers as well. By my calculations that would mean that teams would have to have 4 drivers drive their cars before a season. Thats a total of up to 42 days testing before the season, meaning that 3 drivers would get 12 days at the wheel, and one young guy would get 6 days at the wheel. Meaning that a Badoer/Grosjean situation could be better avoided before the season start.

Personally, id like to see the test callender like this:

Test 1: Valencia (3 day)
Test 2: Paul Ricard (3 Day)
Test 3: Portamao (3 Day)
Test 4: Jerez (4 Day)
Test 5: Aragon (4 Day)
Test 6: Barcelona (4 Day)

Anyways, some visual data; distance after Test 4, Day 2:


Blue Line: Distance accross all tests
Green Line: Laps accross all tests

[WhiteBlue]

Personally, id like to see 21 days pre season testing.

Personally I'd like to see three days of testing and then off to the first race. In the turbo days we had a lot more unreliability which did not stop F1 to be a racing spectacle. Team should race instead of testing! [-X

Lets have a race in Dubai mid February and another one in South Africa begin of March.

[jddh1]

Renault:

Similar to 2009

Look at the direction which the new tyres are coming from here. 3 tyres excluding the rear right are coming from towards the centre of the car yet the rear right is coming from towards the rear of the car. Why is that?

Well spotted horse, but looking at that from a different perspective, what I see is that 3 out of 4 are working from left to right as they look at the car, it's the front left (as opposed to the right rear) that's out of sync with the rest. He might be working the opposite way because that's where the lollipop man is standing and space is tight, or maybe because the guys putting on the tyres have to get so close to the car that they are afraid of damaging the front wing endplate in the process of stepping towards the car?

How about jacking the car up with two jacks right under the driver? Maybe they might need only one.

[ESPImperium]

Personally, id like to see 21 days pre season testing.

Personally I'd like to see three days of testing and then off to the first race. In the turbo days we had a lot more unreliability which did not stop F1 to be a racing spectacle. Team should race instead of testing! [-X

Lets have a race in Dubai mid February and another one in South Africa begin of March.

I like that side of the argument as well. More races, say 24 each season, is that enough??? The only thing i belive is that Test or Reserve drivers get a chance in the car before they season starts, lets avoid the Badoer/Grosjean situation.

[Mr Alcatraz]

BBC lead article for today's testing is:

Novice Nico Hulkenberg upstages Fernando Alonso

What tosh. The Beeb must be about as confused with what is going on as we are and so they've gone all sensational with their headlines.

I havn't read the article, only the headline!
In a sense it's true! Fred was on his home stage.
It is rather prvocative. I mean as far as times go he "upstaged" Mike, The Boss, Vettel, The Kube, and everyone else that was testing today.
It's just playing into the perceived viliany of Fred, and an ongoing rivalry between him and The Boss.
One that I bet Him and LH have had a good laugh over!
I woudn't beat the beeb up too much over this,
although we do generally hold them to a standard above this!

[GTO]

How many mechanics does it take to change 4 tires on an F1 car? For Renault I see 19 & for Torro Rosso I see only 17. Must be because the're a small budget team.
http://images.gpupdate.net/large/146681.jpg

[Shafto]

i am sure it has been covered, but it is an easy question.

Do the teams only test with one car and switch out the seats for each driver? Does this minimize the chances of wrecking two cars instead of one?

Or do they use two cars?

Before the 2009 season, theam were allowed 2 cars in pre-season, one car in-season and 2 cars post season. But wernt allowed to do more than 30,000km of testing each year. But with someone at the FIA and their wisdon thought they should only do single car teast from 2009 onward before the season, no mid season and single car post season tests. Call it cost cutting.

To answer the question, it was once 2, but is now one car. However, early in the test callender, teams generally only use one car and change it for each driver overnight. But once what would have taken overnight now takes roughly 45 mins to do as the teams have gottn it down to less than an hour to change the setup over for a driver to get his baseline, but still takes an hour or so to get nailed on his particular liking of setup.

The thing is that now that many teams have got their second chassis, or third chassis in the case of Ferarri, Renault and posibly McLaren and Mercedes, they will have 2 cars there for each driver.

Personally, id like to see 21 days pre season testing. Three, 3-day tests and three, 4-day tests. But with teams being allowed to use up to 2 cars if they have them avalable. But making it that each driver is allowed no more than 12 days test time in a car, thus getting test/reserve drivers in the picture and posibly a few development drivers as well. By my calculations that would mean that teams would have to have 4 drivers drive their cars before a season. Thats a total of up to 42 days testing before the season, meaning that 3 drivers would get 12 days at the wheel, and one young guy would get 6 days at the wheel. Meaning that a Badoer/Grosjean situation could be better avoided before the season start.

Personally, id like to see the test callender like this:

Test 1: Valencia (3 day)
Test 2: Paul Ricard (3 Day)
Test 3: Portamao (3 Day)
Test 4: Jerez (4 Day)
Test 5: Aragon (4 Day)
Test 6: Barcelona (4 Day)

Anyways, some visual data; distance after Test 4, Day 2:


Blue Line: Distance accross all tests
Green Line: Laps accross all tests

Alrighty then, I see. Thanks a lot. Much appriciated!

[ESPImperium]

New graph for the teams and engines distance and laps accross all tests.





Blue = Distance
Green = Laps

EDIT: Added Engines.

[Afterburner]

How about jacking the car up with two jacks right under the driver? Maybe they might need only one.

Don't forget this year hidraulic jacks are forbidden, lifting 800kg it's not that easy, not to mention the fact that the weight it's almost all on the rear so jacking up in the middle wouldn't be very stable, IMO. Engineers and designers also wouldn't find a good ideia, it's almost like giving the other teams their weight distribution.

[ElRebelde]

Plot with more focus on the afternoon long runs:

McLaren look a bit of the pace if you assume that they started their long run on the same fuel loads as eg. Force India (FI did a race simulation so they probably started with race distance fuel).

a much clearer graph focussing on just the race simulations can be seen here: http://bit.ly/akU87O
from http://twitter.com/VivaF1

McLaren (and Mercedes for that matter) look like they were running a bit more fuel than a full Barcelona race, maybe with one eye on the thirstier circuits or as part of a good old fashioned bit of sandbagging.