Red Bull RB6

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TRICKLE69 wrote:Is it possible that the exhausts are directly feeding one of the levels of the diffuser now that they are horizontal with the floor? :twisted:
I highly doubt it, the effect would be inconsistant and unstable.

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Diesel wrote:
TRICKLE69 wrote:Is it possible that the exhausts are directly feeding one of the levels of the diffuser now that they are horizontal with the floor? :twisted:
I highly doubt it, the effect would be inconsistant and unstable.
Didn't Ferrari do that one year and found that it caused them issues on corner entry due to the drop in down force when the driver lifted off which reduced the speed of the airflow over the diffuser?

I would've thought it could be used to energize the airflow somewhere but I'd love to see more of what's going on down there!

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that effect occured when the exhaust exited within the diffusor, not on top of it.

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meves wrote:
Diesel wrote:
TRICKLE69 wrote:Is it possible that the exhausts are directly feeding one of the levels of the diffuser now that they are horizontal with the floor? :twisted:
I highly doubt it, the effect would be inconsistant and unstable.
Didn't Ferrari do that one year and found that it caused them issues on corner entry due to the drop in down force when the driver lifted off which reduced the speed of the airflow over the diffuser?

I would've thought it could be used to energize the airflow somewhere but I'd love to see more of what's going on down there!
Read "exhausts" part
http://scarbsf1.com/diffuser.html

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Will it be a variation of how Mclaren used to run the exhaust over part of the central diffuser to excite the airflow?

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Cheer Timbo, don't worry I need to search more. Yes is the answer! Thanks Scarbs...

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Raptor22 wrote:that effect occured when the exhaust exited within the diffusor, not on top of it.
The effect will occur regardless, it will just be less extreme.

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You guys are all focusing on using the exhaust to charge the diffuser, which I think is a not what is going on here. I think it's just a packaging issue to allow for more diffuser space.

But let's say you did want to to charge the diffuser with the exhaust. (from the past this has been shown to be a bad idea because the exhaust speed varies with engine load and under braking there is no engine load thus no boost to the diffuser) If you guys want to go down this road .. What if BOTH exits are fake and the exhaust really dumps into the diffuser ports? That lower real looking exhaust looks REALLY clean. And I don't see a carbon trail behind it though I admit it's really hard to see almost any detail clearly around this area with these pics.

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BreezyRacer wrote:You guys are all focusing on using the exhaust to charge the diffuser, which I think is a not what is going on here. I think it's just a packaging issue to allow for more diffuser space.
That makes no sense to me, if it was to make more diffuser space they would have done what Ferrari have done and placed them much further forward, allowing for even more narrowing of the rear.

They exhausts are positioned for entirely aerodynamic reasons. Whether it's to positively influence flow or just not disturb flow is the question.
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Yeah surely they are in pretty much the worst possible place to make more diffuser space?!

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Is one idea behind this very low and tight packaging to make maximize air flow to the lower part of the rear wing that's right above the diffuser to make them work together?

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axle wrote:Oh look...

http://scarbsf1.wordpress.com/2010/03/0 ... -diffuser/

Guess I was right...
They've done well to hide those vents from the rear.
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I think scarbs got it wrong, why would Newey vent the exhaust externally and then try to feed it to the diffuser through tiny square external vents which are about 10 inches from the exhaust tips...

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Yeah, Scarbs has written a lot of good articles. But that last blog doesn't make much sense. The "window" he spotted there doesn't even look like a window really. The picture he provided sucks too. Hopefully we'll get to see something with a lot more detail in Bahrain.