Is F1 getting boring?

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The Lotus 79 was already easier to handle than the mercedes W196 and the MP4/4 was easier to handle than the lotus 79..that's progress.

It is the same with every machine which is performance dedicated (fighter jets, competition vehicules) they are easier to handle so that the pilot can actually concentrate on...driving.

This is no easier, this is different; no way you could fight on the edge of performance with a lotus 79 as you do with modern F1 car.

You can either fight the car or fight the track not both at the same time.

As for pinnacle of technology maybe those are not the most useful technologies anymore but just talking about aerodynamics the actual cars are quite cleverly done and with some exotic solutions sometimes.

The on track action is another topic.

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Jersey Tom wrote:Watching it could be more exciting, for sure.

Wish they'd have better onboards.

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OOOgfsc5wc4[/youtube]

That's what I wanna see... more from the driver's perspective.
I just wish the engines still sounded like this. Gives you an eargasm, doesn't it?

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What a weird thread.

F1 needs more passing and lead changes -- there seems to be general agreement on that point.

And please remember: F1 is NOT designed to make us happy (we are -- no offense meant -- the lunatic fringe of the sport); it is meant to be entertainment for the masses.
Enzo Ferrari was a great man. But he was not a good man. -- Phil Hill

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Germanengineering wrote:The 70's - 90's were better. I still don't agree with the paddle shifting even Indy cars don't have paddle shifters. I am happy Lotus has returned but it's really not Lotus. The new teams are to slow to compete with the rest of the field. Even if you gave them a lap head start they would still be the last ones to finish.
It's not F1. It's we, getting older. ;)

No, it's not Lotus. Lotus died in 1982, of a heart attack, as you know. You wish Lotus, buy a Catterham, ;) or better yet, watch what Clive Chapman does, here:

Classic Team Lotus

That shirt wasn't boring!
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me bows before the great Colin Chapman in all his glory!!

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The problem is that a lot of people said those old races were boring as well. It's great when you can just pick out the highlights you actually remember...........

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segedunum wrote:The problem is that a lot of people said those old races were boring as well. It's great when you can just pick out the highlights you actually remember...........
Exactly what i was trying to say earlier, watch some old races and you will find out...i dont mean highlight tapes...the whole race, even those races touted as great ones arn't much different to what we see today, especially with no refueling and large differences in performance....

oh dear...maybe we are closer to the past now than ever before :P

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No different than today?
Graham Hill started by riding a pushbike to work.
Chunky was a car salesman in London and Bernie used to run a market stall in Petticoat lane selling old pens and tat.
If F1 today is no more exciting then things need to change in a big way.

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Let's rename this thread into "F1 nostalgia thread" and post all the good old stuff we remember. That would give it a slightly more positive tone. I'll start a new one if this one isn't going to be renamed...the clock is ticking. :-({|=

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Ciro Pabón wrote:
Germanengineering wrote:The 70's - 90's were better. I still don't agree with the paddle shifting even Indy cars don't have paddle shifters. I am happy Lotus has returned but it's really not Lotus. The new teams are to slow to compete with the rest of the field. Even if you gave them a lap head start they would still be the last ones to finish.
It's not F1. It's we, getting older. ;)

No, it's not Lotus. Lotus died in 1982, of a heart attack, as you know. You wish Lotus, buy a Catterham, ;) or better yet, watch what Clive Chapman does, here:

Classic Team Lotus

That shirt wasn't boring!
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Chapman was the greatest
People don't understand that it was maybe my biggest pleasure to drive an F1 car when it's wet. - Alain Prost

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Don't get me wrong I still love Formula 1 and its still my favorite sport to watch. I just wish they would change some things that it would be like the old Prost and Senna days but those days are long gone.
People don't understand that it was maybe my biggest pleasure to drive an F1 car when it's wet. - Alain Prost

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If you can't point at what things to change precisely, objectively (i.e: the things are really a problem in the context) then ask yourself if it is not you the source of your boredom.

As someone said: we grew older.

There's no offence in my post (internet is not easy for that), but i see so many people complaining at things that they do not know in deep.

I don't know if it's your case or not, i just wanted to say that feelings are very subjective.

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Very boring race. I hope Melbourne will be a lot better with more overtaking. To bad for Vettel I was hoping h would win.
People don't understand that it was maybe my biggest pleasure to drive an F1 car when it's wet. - Alain Prost

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Before I get into hot water, let me proclaim, I love F1, particularly the technology that goes into each car, and the massive amount of brain power behind every effort; From CFD, to strategy to 'rule interpretation'. Awesome. As an on track spectacle? Not so much. I found Bahrain to be yet another procession.

Perhaps we can look at Indycar racing for ideas. I know, standardized series, standard engines, standard bodywork. BUT, before you jump the gun, take a look at the headline AutoSport has about the season opening event:

"Power wins thrilling IndyCar opener."

You can hardly say that for about 75% of the F1 races over the past few years. Sure there were a few good battles here and there, but for the vast majority, excitement for me comes from qualifying sessions.

The spectacle needs change.

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There have been some really great races until 2009 and the cars looked impressive and well developed. Of course there was room for improvement. Then 2009 they made big rule changes that caused boring races and ugly cars. Overtaking hasn't improved either. Now 2010 things turn even worse. The cars are still ugly (especially with their small front tires) and the show got even worse. The last sense of racing is gone now since the drivers have to look after tyres, fuel use, engine use and prolly many other things but can't really risk a thing for overtaking.
Even the last exiting thing is gone now. The pit stops with refuelling. :(