Ferrari F10

[timbo]

AFAIK on 2009 car (it was called F60 btw) the problem with exhausts was the minimum radius rule.

[spaman]

Wasn´t the problem, that the exhaust was not allowed to stick out of the covering? If this was the problem, I don´t see how the now found solution would be legal. I am just curious.

[Mr Alcatraz]

Could it be, that the gills on the F10 are illegal? I know that there is a small disruption to make it part of the exhaust exit. But wouldn´t this lead to the interpretation that the exhaust pipe isn´t fully covered as is required by the rules?

Maybe some people remember the problem of the F2009 when they had to shorten the exhaust pipe last year. Wouldn´t the solution found on the F10 be illegal naming the gills "exhaust opening" since you "could see" the exhaust pipe from the top through the disruption (theoretically)?

I am a little confused.

Timbo, spaman is correct in this matter!

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Only days after McLaren Mercedes and BMW issued their concerns over Ferrari's illegal exhaust system used on their 2009 challenger, the F60, Toyota have also urged the Scuderia to change it.

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[mith]

I think it's legal, because exhaust pipe ends before gills.



See? There's not any glimpse of the pipe.

[allan]

don't wanna burst your bubble, but that engine cover isn't even on the car. In other words, there is no car under that engine cover. No engine either... not even a pipe!

[raymondu999]

Yeap. The exhaust ends off at the black hole.

[Italiano]

I do think that if the gills were illegal, the FIA would have ordered their removal by now... They used them for the entire weekend and no action was taken.

I myself welcome this kind of poking in the rule loopholes. Makes it just a bit more interesting, seeing we might have a very dull season ahead of us.

[timbo]

Could it be, that the gills on the F10 are illegal? I know that there is a small disruption to make it part of the exhaust exit. But wouldn´t this lead to the interpretation that the exhaust pipe isn´t fully covered as is required by the rules?

Maybe some people remember the problem of the F2009 when they had to shorten the exhaust pipe last year. Wouldn´t the solution found on the F10 be illegal naming the gills "exhaust opening" since you "could see" the exhaust pipe from the top through the disruption (theoretically)?

I am a little confused.

Timbo, spaman is correct in this matter!

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Only days after McLaren Mercedes and BMW issued their concerns over Ferrari's illegal exhaust system used on their 2009 challenger, the F60, Toyota have also urged the Scuderia to change it.

I didn't argue about the fact that initial exhaust configuration of F60 was deemed illegal.
I only said that it was not the fact that exhaust could be "seen" was the problem, but that they created an area with a radius smaller than minimal radius allowed.

[Mr Alcatraz]

Could it be, that the gills on the F10 are illegal? I know that there is a small disruption to make it part of the exhaust exit. But wouldn´t this lead to the interpretation that the exhaust pipe isn´t fully covered as is required by the rules?

Maybe some people remember the problem of the F2009 when they had to shorten the exhaust pipe last year. Wouldn´t the solution found on the F10 be illegal naming the gills "exhaust opening" since you "could see" the exhaust pipe from the top through the disruption (theoretically)?

I am a little confused.

Timbo, spaman is correct in this matter!

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Only days after McLaren Mercedes and BMW issued their concerns over Ferrari's illegal exhaust system used on their 2009 challenger, the F60, Toyota have also urged the Scuderia to change it.

I didn't argue about the fact that initial exhaust configuration of F60 was deemed illegal.
I only said that it was not the fact that exhaust could be "seen" was the problem, but that they created an area with a radius smaller than minimal radius allowed.

OK my man!!! I stand corrected!

[JohnsonsEvilTwin]

Forgive me if I have brought this up despite an earlier resolution.

But surely, the gills are not legal as in Banned? They are withing the non permisable area dictated by the FIA. I find it open and shut?

[timbo]

But surely, the gills are not legal as in Banned? They are withing the non permisable area dictated by the FIA. I find it open and shut?

They obviously passed scrutineering.
As it was stated earlier in this thread, there's a small slit that connects gills with exhaust opening, so it is effectively a single hole and its combined area is within allowed dimensions.

[gibells]

But surely, the gills are not legal as in Banned? They are withing the non permisable area dictated by the FIA. I find it open and shut?

They obviously passed scrutineering.
As it was stated earlier in this thread, there's a small slit that connects gills with exhaust opening, so it is effectively a single hole and its combined area is within allowed dimensions.

Yeah the rule to allow the exhaust opening allows a certain surface area. So Ferrari have put a slit between the pipe opening and all the gills effectively making it one opening. I think the scrutineers allowed the exhaust being exposed because nothing is sticking up/out, and besides, you're always going to 'see' the exhaust if you're looking through the exhaust opening.

[spaman]

Thank's for the enlightening...

[allstaruk08]

if its being classed as one opening then surly the exhaust must stop at the first gill (the one furthest to the right) as this is there the opening starts ??

[spaman]

This matter is confusing... thought I was enlighted. It seems as I ain´t.