Australian GP 2010 - Melbourne

[WhiteBlue]

@WB: Analyzing what happened in T1 with a bunch of static images defies common sense. How can you make any serious decision about who was right or wrong, when it's not possible to understand the momentum and relative speed of all the cars?

If anyone was in the wrong, they'd have had their hands slapped, and nobody did. End of.

Analyzing with a sequence of 18 static images is a lot better than a bunch of fan boy talk with no data to support it. I assure you if I could legally distribute my video and had access to the telemetry I would not spare the effort to share that. We all agreed a long time ago that the stewards were correct in not punishing the action of any of the drivers. Nevertheless several users appreciated the effort to provide a still image sequence with comment. First corner accidents are always going to happen in F1 and it meets the interests of many fans to look into the finer detail as their commentators can.

[dave34m]

@WB: Analyzing what happened in T1 with a bunch of static images defies common sense. How can you make any serious decision about who was right or wrong, when it's not possible to understand the momentum and relative speed of all the cars?

If anyone was in the wrong, they'd have had their hands slapped, and nobody did. End of.

Analyzing with a sequence of 18 static images is a lot better than a bunch of fan boy talk with no data to support it. I assure you if I could legally distribute my video and had access to the telemetry I would not spare the effort to share that. We all agreed a long time ago that the stewards were correct in not punishing the action of any of the drivers. Nevertheless several users appreciated the effort to provide a still image sequence with comment. First corner accidents are always going to happen in F1 and it meets the interests of many fans to look into the finer detail as their commentators can.

The images were very interesting indeed but the real proof does lie in the video. I really can't see the sense in trying to blame anyone for a first corner incident like that. Any or all could have backed off anytime but thats not going to win you many GPs. I believe it was just a race incident.

[Pedro]

Team-mates duels:

Qualification



Race
I was comparing just teams where both drivers were classified.

Fastest lap in race


Average lap in race


Source: F1news.cz
http://f1news.cz/novinky/34380-jak-dopa ... australii/

[Ganxxta]

And Felipe Massa, the missing man. Missing because in this thread, no one has seriously talked about Massa. Felipe has retured from what could have been a career-ending injury, not only to retain his seat at Ferrari, but do what no one else has done so far this year. Two races so far, and Massa is the only man to be on the podium both times. Mr Felipe Massa, I salute you, sir.

+1 for this and the rest of your comment, that I don't want to quote again...

[xpensive]

And Webber, in one of the best cars, made a complete arse of himself at his homerace. Pathetic.

[Shaddock]

And when you mention Lewis Hamilton's drive on Sunday, yes, it was memorable. I will never forget the whining and bitching he did about the extra pit stop. I do have to admit that was incredibly funny and entertaining. Now that, I won't forget.

In summation, Jenson Button won, not Hamilton.

Jenson did win, but I am not sure he earned it, more like handed it on a golden plate when Seb retired. I think Seb has handled the situation he is found himself in better than Lewis has. No bitching and no whining, well not publicly anyway.

Lewis made a massive mistake in Quali 2, if he had qualified on the front, couple of rows he would have probably have won the race, but that’s his own fault, not the teams.

Looking back on the race Jenson was going backwards on the inters after just 6 laps. He’d just been passed by Lewis and was complaining of balance issues on the car. He didn’t have much choice other than to gamble on dry tyres (more luck than good judgement?), which handed him second place, first if he’d kept it on the track on the first lap.

An interesting conversation between Massa and Rob Smedley. Rob was lecturing Filipe on how to drive the car,” you need to apply less throttle out of the turn” as he was loosing time in that corner.

I’m sure I heard a faint whisper of brake, turn left, accelerate……….. at the end of the straight

[Hangaku]

An interesting conversation between Massa and Rob Smedley. Rob was lecturing Filipe on how to drive the car,” you need to apply less throttle out of the turn” as he was loosing time in that corner.

I’m sure I heard a faint whisper of brake, turn left, accelerate……….. at the end of the straight

Turn left? I hope not

During the GP on BBC, Brundle's reaction to the radio was quite good - he was unable to believe that this Race Engineer was telling Massa how to drive. Perhaps they are afraid that he's has lost a bit of an edge after his accident

That said, he's not well known for driving in wet / damp conditions. I remember Silverstone 2 years ago, Mr. Massa must have ditched it 6 or 7 times in the race, it was quite impressive.

[horse]

Jenson did win, but I am not sure he earned it, more like handed it on a golden plate when Seb retired.

Same deal for Alonso at Bahrain. That's the way motor racing works sometimes. He certainly deserved the podium after being ballsy enough to come in when everyone else was still going around on the inters. You're right, he wasn't going so well on the inters but at least he was willing to take the chance that he would perform better on the slicks and he did, passed Kubica to take second place and then tracked Vettel till Vettel slid off. Boring win after lap 10 maybe, but due credit for a win nonetheless.

[Miguel]

The thing about Massa and Smedley is that they are a team. For some reason, there's a good communication flow between the two, and they trust each other. It goes as far as Massa blindly believing Smedley when he told him he could go a few km/h faster in Sainte Devote. That relation is probably the key part that has turned Massa into a faster driver.

Personally, I don't think this could happen with either Lewis and Fernando. They are perhaps more confident in their driving skills and may have a considerably stronger character (see "I don't want to know" or "who took the friggin' decision to pit?").

[RacingManiac]

In Ham's case though, not enough experience to over rule engineer's suggestion....

[Shaddock]

In Ham's case though, not enough experience to over rule engineer's suggestion....

I think the people that make the call are back in Woking with the computers.
I agree Felipe and Rob do work very well as a team, better than Kimi did with Chris.

I’ve managed to get a spy shot of the latest go faster Ferrari development, specifically aimed to improve Felipe’s race pace.

[Pandamasque]

An interesting conversation between Massa and Rob Smedley. Rob was lecturing Filipe on how to drive the car,” you need to apply less throttle out of the turn” as he was loosing time in that corner.

I’m sure I heard a faint whisper of brake, turn left, accelerate……….. at the end of the straight

Turn left? I hope not

During the GP on BBC, Brundle's reaction to the radio was quite good - he was unable to believe that this Race Engineer was telling Massa how to drive. Perhaps they are afraid that he's has lost a bit of an edge after his accident

That said, he's not well known for driving in wet / damp conditions. I remember Silverstone 2 years ago, Mr. Massa must have ditched it 6 or 7 times in the race, it was quite impressive.

I think you guys missed the point here a little bit.

Massa was in danger of losing his position on the straight due to his car not being able to exit the final turn as fast as the car behind could. The engineer suggested him to get on the throttle a bit later but less gradually.
The car behind couldn't overtake on the slow bit anyway so Massa could easily afford to make the car behind wait till he gets on the throttle a bit late, but at the exit both cars would be comfortably flooring it so the faster car behind wouldn't be able to use the advantage in traction. It's a quite simple defensive technique.

[Shaddock]

An interesting conversation between Massa and Rob Smedley. Rob was lecturing Filipe on how to drive the car,” you need to apply less throttle out of the turn” as he was loosing time in that corner.

I’m sure I heard a faint whisper of brake, turn left, accelerate……….. at the end of the straight

Turn left? I hope not

During the GP on BBC, Brundle's reaction to the radio was quite good - he was unable to believe that this Race Engineer was telling Massa how to drive. Perhaps they are afraid that he's has lost a bit of an edge after his accident

That said, he's not well known for driving in wet / damp conditions. I remember Silverstone 2 years ago, Mr. Massa must have ditched it 6 or 7 times in the race, it was quite impressive.

I think you guys missed the point here a little bit.

Massa was in danger of losing his position on the straight due to his car not being able to exit the final turn as fast as the car behind could. The engineer suggested him to get on the throttle a bit later but less gradually.
The car behind couldn't overtake on the slow bit anyway so Massa could easily afford to make the car behind wait till he gets on the throttle a bit late, but at the exit both cars would be comfortably flooring it so the faster car behind wouldn't be able to use the advantage in traction. It's a quite simple defensive technique.

I completely agree with you, the point I was trying to make is that Filipe spent most of the race looking sideways down the straight at that corner, did he really need telling the obvious.

[deus1066]

Highlight of the race for me:

Alonso's radio: Hamilton is 3.5 s behind
Alons: I don't want to know!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3oVLOAXFxxE

[timbo]

I remember something similar with Kubica @ British GP 2008 quali -- he was at the pits and his engineer said something like "if you out of the track do so and so" and Kubica replied "don't ever tell such things to me" or something like that