Malaysian GP 2010 - Sepang

[djos]

If leading driving is trying to break slipstream from the following car he is defending. If he is abnormally changing direction while defending he is breaking the rules. I remember there were an agreement between drivers a while ago that you're only allowed to do that once.
All in all he was reprimanded, so stewards had seen potential rule infraction.

Agreed, the moves were highly suspect and a warning was warranted.

[machin]

Imagine if Mclaren and Ferrari did not make the mistakes in qualifying, this race would have been supremely boring.

...and that's why fundamentally having the fastest cars at the front leads to boring races.... reverse championship order is the way forward!!!!

[Just_a_fan]

I remember there were an agreement between drivers a while ago that you're only allowed to do that once.
All in all he was reprimanded, so stewards had seen potential rule infraction.

The single move agreement was about moving in the braking zone. This wasn't anything like that.

As the stewards decided not to penalise Hamilton but just warn him they obviously didn't see it as a real problem or a breach of the rules.

Of course the really interesting issue is whether other drivers do the same thing in e.g. China and if they do whether they get penalised. They shouldn't of course but we'll see...

As for Hamilton this time, once he got to the braking zone he maintained a steady line and so didn't do anything dangerous at all.

[vyselegend]

If leading driving is trying to break slipstream from the following car he is defending. If he is abnormally changing direction while defending he is breaking the rules.

Exactly. The rules forbid that a driver change line more than two times, i.e a defending swearve is allowed. So Hamilton was in his right to switch to the right lane and then get back on the left, which is a clean move. But then he wasn't allowed to do it again in that same straight, so it was a blatant rule infrigement indeed.

The rules doesn't state that "if a fanboy argue that the blocking wasn't a blocking but just slipstream break blabla, then it's ok to swearve twice." Sorry.

All in all he was reprimanded, so stewards had seen potential rule infraction.

The point is, he wasn't reprimanded concretly. Someone just told him that "it's bad to break the rules like that, boy".
Shame, IMO.

Now that Malaysian GP thread has again turned into a "Lewis Hamilton is great" one... It's incredible since he wasn't even the shadow of himself this week end: fu**ed up his qualy, cheated during the race and stayed powerless behind a Force India despite driving the fastest car (in top speed).

A very good driver overall, but who today deserves nothing else than reprimands.
Unless you trollingly in blind love of him, but that's another story...

[Mr Alcatraz]

If leading driving is trying to break slipstream from the following car he is defending. If he is abnormally changing direction while defending he is breaking the rules. I remember there were an agreement between drivers a while ago that you're only allowed to do that once.
All in all he was reprimanded, so stewards had seen potential rule infraction.

Agreed, the moves were highly suspect and a warning was warranted.

I agree they were highly suspect I think he was only warned because (and I'm not usually one to come to LH's defense) it is a bit of a grey area and deserved a warning. I was watching it on speedtv Matchet,and Hobbs both thought it was illeagle!

[djos]

I agree they were highly suspect I think he was only warned because (and I'm not usually one to come to LH's defense) it is a bit of a grey area and deserved a warning. I was watching it on speedtv Matchet,and Hobbs both thought it was illeagle!

Funnily enuf Martin Brundle lept to the "BOSS"'s defence!

[andartop]

I think Lewis was actually trying to get out of Petrov's way in order to let him through. It was Petrov who didn't want to get through and was just weaving left and right to hide behind Lewis!

Well done to all the Red and Silver boys for keeping the race interesting enough, but at the end of the day finishing behind the Force India and having a hard time overtaking a Torro Rosso or a Renault with a LADA sticker on it driven by a newbie really isn't a Championship winning drive. People say that this lot started from the back of the grid. I say we've seen loads of drivers winning from the back of the grid, not struggling for 6th or worse..

Driver of the day? Vettel of course. Disappointment of the day? The rain that never came..

[Raftaar]

Hello everyone! C'mon people, enough of it!! Let us just forget that incident; I think the outcome of the incident was ok, the stewerds made notice of it and issued a warning, end of it. I am sure there were plenty of other issues in the race that can be discussed.

Let me just say, well done to Sebastien Vettle and RBR. this was a great victory and a richly deserved one =D> =D> . Great credits to Webber for making it a perfect race for his team, also to Rosberg, who kept good pace throughout the race, and to Kubica for another strong performance in the Renault =D> =D> .

Great praise to Sutil, my MAN OF THE RACE, he did fantastically well to defend and keep Hamilton behind for the best part of the final 1/3rd of the race, most impressive =D> .

[Mr Alcatraz]

If leading driving is trying to break slipstream from the following car he is defending. If he is abnormally changing direction while defending he is breaking the rules.

Exactly. The rules forbid that a driver change line more than two times, i.e a defending swearve is allowed. So Hamilton was in his right to switch to the right lane and then get back on the left, which is a clean move. But then he wasn't allowed to do it again in that same straight, so it was a blatant rule infrigement indeed.

The rules doesn't state that "if a fanboy argue that the blocking wasn't a blocking but just slipstream break blabla, then it's ok to swearve twice." Sorry.

All in all he was reprimanded, so stewards had seen potential rule infraction.

The point is, he wasn't reprimanded concretly. Someone just told him that "it's bad to break the rules like that, boy".
Shame, IMO.

Now that Malaysian GP thread has again turned into a "Lewis Hamilton is great" one... It's incredible since he wasn't even the shadow of himself this week end: fu**ed up his qualy, cheated during the race and stayed powerless behind a Force India despite driving the fastest car (in top speed).

A very good driver overall, but who today deserves nothing else than reprimands.
Unless you trollingly in blind love of him, but that's another story...

I hope you weren't refering to me as a fanboy of Hamilton!
I may not be correct about my interpretation of the rule but I am No Hamilton fan.

[vyselegend]

Nope, sorry for the confusion!

I was quoting timbo's post as a sane basis for the discussion, but I was obviously arguing against the regular fanboys, which is pointless I must admit...

Sorry for the confusion.

[ringo]

If leading driving is trying to break slipstream from the following car he is defending. If he is abnormally changing direction while defending he is breaking the rules.

Exactly. The rules forbid that a driver change line more than two times, i.e a defending swearve is allowed. So Hamilton was in his right to switch to the right lane and then get back on the left, which is a clean move. But then he wasn't allowed to do it again in that same straight, so it was a blatant rule infrigement indeed.

The rules doesn't state that "if a fanboy argue that the blocking wasn't a blocking but just slipstream break blabla, then it's ok to swearve twice." Sorry.

All in all he was reprimanded, so stewards had seen potential rule infraction.

The point is, he wasn't reprimanded concretly. Someone just told him that "it's bad to break the rules like that, boy".
Shame, IMO.

Now that Malaysian GP thread has again turned into a "Lewis Hamilton is great" one... It's incredible since he wasn't even the shadow of himself this week end: fu**ed up his qualy, cheated during the race and stayed powerless behind a Force India despite driving the fastest car (in top speed).

A very good driver overall, but who today deserves nothing else than reprimands.
Unless you trollingly in blind love of him, but that's another story...

The stewards and F1 driver steward have the last word. Blocking is when following car moves first then leading car reacts.
In this case leading car moves (out of the way in fact!! opposite of blocking) first and following car follows.
Being completely objective that is truth and there is nothing else that can be debated from this that contradict the regulations.
Hamilton later settled and held a single line.

It's sad that after such a good race, some believe it would make their day if a harsh penalty was issued. What do you get from Hamilton being penalised exactly?

The only reason this thread may seem to be full of Hamilton is because most of the racing involved that driver. Other notable drives came from Alonso and jaime, as well as Button's cunning. Maybe we can talk about the other drivers if we prevent the penalty talk from becoming a back on forth like on other F1 boards.

The BOSS is bringing long over due entertainment to the sport, so give thanks!

[ringo]

Anyone saw Webber about to explode in the podium press conference?
He was either going to cry or strangle Vettel to death. He didn't like the fact Vettel mentioned his name so many times as if he were a joke.
Vettel's long speech was also getting on his nerves, you could see his chest puffing and blowing. Very awkward and tense moments.
That man Webber is going to physically hurt that boy Vettel one of these days..

[Raftaar]

To everyone , I think this arguement has gone long enough , so let us please stop it, why not discuss on something else!!

Let me try by posting a query that I have - We know that Alonso had a gearbox problem in the race, could anyone tell at what time in the race did this problem start??!

[imightbewrong]

To everyone , I think this arguement has gone long enough , so let us please stop it, why not discuss on something else!!

Let me try by posting a query that I have - We know that Alonso had a gearbox problem in the race, could anyone tell at what time in the race did this problem start??!

on the warmup lap
http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/82694

[FLC]

Alonso said it started right from the start.

About Hamilton's move: the one move rule is not an agreement between drivers, it is actually written in the regulations. Appendix L to the international sporting code, Chapter IV, article 2 b states:

Overtaking, according to the circumstances, may be carried out on either the right or the left. However, manoeuvres liable to hinder other drivers, such more than one change of direction to defend a position, deliberate crowding of a car beyond the edge of the track or any other abnormal change of direction, are strictly prohibited. Any driver who appears guilty of any of the above offences will be reported to the stewards of the meeting.

Therefore, I think he clearly broke the rules.
As for Brundle's reaction, don't forget Hamilton is looking for a manager, and he is a candidate. Coulthard on the other hand isn't and he said it was wrong. As did Legard who wondered what would happen if MS sat in that car...

To say that "in this case leading car moves (out of the way in fact!! opposite of blocking) first and following car follows", is ridiculous. We can apply that to many other blocking moves if we wish.