Malaysian GP 2010 - Sepang

[timbo]

I also think they should incorperate the Hamilton esses onto the front straight, very entertaining, for both the TV viewers but also the Grandstand watchers

Well, you could improve that, and enforce drivers make donuts at hairpins and fishtails at chicanes -- now that would be cool!

[ISLAMATRON]

So let me see, Hamilton was weaving but yet Petrov who you claim to be on his gearbox could have chosen to go in a stright line(shorter distance if I remember my geometry correctly) but yet he didnt.. Petrov was passed and he wasnt gonna do no passing.

Petrov followed Hamiltons moves, therefore not blocking... this whole 1 move BS is a load of crap.

Massa can make 1 move and snap off a piece of both Button's and Hamilton's front wings in Austrailia, but Hamilton cant "warm his tires on the straight a la Alonso" because Petrov wants to do the same behind him?

GTFOH

[ISLAMATRON]

I also think they should incorperate the Hamilton esses onto the front straight, very entertaining, for both the TV viewers but also the Grandstand watchers

Well, you could improve that, and enforce drivers make donuts at hairpins and fishtails at chicanes -- now that would be cool!

As usual you take things to far Timbo... save the donuts and fishtails for the city streets of Melbourne.

[timbo]

So let me see, Hamilton was weaving but yet Petrov who you claim to be on his gearbox could have chosen to go in a stright line(shorter distance if I remember my geometry correctly) but yet he didnt.. Petrov was passed and he wasnt gonna do no passing.

Petrov followed Hamiltons moves, therefore not blocking... this whole 1 move BS is a load of crap.

He followed the moves to stay at slipstream. Hamilton made the moves to prevent him from that.

Massa can make 1 move and snap off a piece of both Button's and Hamilton's front wings in Austrailia, but Hamilton cant "warm his tires on the straight a la Alonso" because Petrov wants to do the same behind him?

So, it was Massa who snapped the wing from Hamilton? I guess I should say it was Hamilton who took out Webbo at Australia

[andrew]

ISLAMATRON - it is you that is taking things too far. Your mindless devotion to your driver of choice is clouding the fact that Hamilton was WEAVING and changed line 5 TIMES. Drivers can only change line ONCE - FACT.

My opinion would be the same even if it was Schumacher or Massa that did the same.

Petrov could have gone past but didn't as he was getting a tow from the McLaren. It is upto the driver following if he want sto pass but that is irrelevant. Hamiltons weaving was dangerous and could have easily caused an accident.

If you want to see masses of accidents I would suggest you watch stock cars as F1 is clearly not for you.

[Ray]

I also think they should incorperate the Hamilton esses onto the front straight, very entertaining, for both the TV viewers but also the Grandstand watchers

Well, you could improve that, and enforce drivers make donuts at hairpins and fishtails at chicanes -- now that would be cool!

As usual you take things to far Timbo... save the donuts and fishtails for the city streets of Melbourne.

...Massa may have deserved a penalty for cutting people off and he didn't get on for whatever reason we don't know about and can't change, Petrov had passed Lewis by drafting before and Lewis made sure he couldn't again by weaving back and forth multiple times, Alonso didn't 'break his car', and he wasn't 'warming his tires' on the straight. He drove with a broken trans and no clutch from the parade lap on and was driving beautifully. His engine blew up not of his doing, you can only abuse something that highly strung for so long and it's mindblowing it lasted as long as it did. I personally don't think Lewis deserved a stiff penalty, but that it needs to be a stiff one if/when he does it again. ...

Lewis has proven himself to be one of only two drivers that know how to race for a win. He and Alonso are the only two talents in Formula 1 that have proven that they can race other people and pass without ramming them to win races from a spot other than the front row or two. That doesn't excuse Lewis from whining on the radio in front of 200+ million people like a baby over who made what decision. He is not McLaren, they were there and successful before him, and will be long after he leaves. No need to whine on the radio during a very close battle on track about things you can't change at that moment. He performs almost without comparison on track, he needs to learn to discuss tactics after the race, and not act like everyone revolves around him. His father leaving may have something with his recent outbursts and I personally think he needs to come back, Lewis seems to need his guiding hand. I would like to see Anthony come back and settle Lewis down, it would be great to see what Lewis can accomplish when he's focused. We've seen what he can so with a so-so car this season while whining, who knows what he could do without worrying about what's going on other than driving the wheels off that car.

I suspect that the McLarens have been successful solely because of Lewis' talent and the straight line advantage they have over everyone but the ForceIndia. He did make almost all of his passes by outdragging everyone after the straights.

Petrov could have gone past but didn't as he was getting a tow from the McLaren. It is upto the driver following if he want sto pass but that is irrelevant. Hamiltons weaving was dangerous and could have easily caused an accident.

I fail to see how a driver weaving in front of another could cause an accident if the one behind depended on the slipstream to keep pace with him. That's stretching it a bit much.

[ISLAMATRON]

Weaving was Hamilton's line... he did not change lines, his line was 1 continous weave

If Alonso can do it to "warm his tires" Lewis can too... Petrov was just trying to learn new F1 techniques from the best driver on the grid.

You and your 1 move advocates are bullshit peddlers... Webber made 1 move In Germany and slammed into the side of Rubans and was penalised, his next move was to cut down Lewis' tire, pit for the penalty and then win the race. He took out the 2 highest placed rivals with dodgy moves and still won the race... is that justice?

Lewis gave Petrov a cars width(more than) on both sides of the track that is all that should be required. We seen FA,MS & Prost do worse and Senna do the same.

Hamilton weaved and Petrov followed, that is not blocking, there is no rule that says you must allow the trailing driver to use your slipstream. The rule is against blocking, Lewis did no such thing.

If Petrov were as close as you claim he would not have been able to swerve to follow Lewis as quickly as he did.

[WhiteBlue]

This is the thing Hamilon was not defending his position. He was moving away from his position. Petrov then followed Hamilton trying NOT TO PASS BUT TO GET INTO THE SLIPSTREAM. Petrov wasn't even close enough to get into the slipstream and Hamilton didn't want him to get into the slipstream. Nothing wrong with that. It's Petrov's problem if he wants to follow Hamilton's weaving. Why didn't Petrov go straight?

Some people seem to loose all reason here! Hamilton did wrong! Hamilton was warned over unsporting bahavior. He was extremely lucky that they did not penalize him. Clearly the stewards expressed that he was wrong! To interprete their leniency as approval of Hamilton's unsporting behavior is unreasonal. You guys are screaping on the edge of having your posts transferred to the fan boy ying yang thread IMO.

Back to the topic:

I thought that the track is actually rather nicely made. Rosberg said that it is a real challenge for the drivers with some of the most difficult corners of the whole season. I do agree and I think that Herman Tilke deserves a praise for this track which actually is now 12 years old. We had some pretty good races there. Perhaps they should install night racing lighting there.

[Pandamasque]

This is the thing Hamilon was not defending his position. He was moving away from his position. Petrov then followed Hamilton trying NOT TO PASS BUT TO GET INTO THE SLIPSTREAM. Petrov wasn't even close enough to get into the slipstream and Hamilton didn't want him to get into the slipstream. Nothing wrong with that. It's Petrov's problem if he wants to follow Hamilton's weaving. Why didn't Petrov go straight?

You don't get it do you? The rule says nothing about 'blocking'. Can fan boys read?

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However, manoeuvres liable to hinder other drivers, such as more than one change of direction to defend a position,........ are strictly prohibited.

LH hindered VP's slipstream overtaking attempt by changing direction more than once. The end. On a personal note, I've never ever seen anyone doing it so blatantly (see Ray's earlier comments) and it's a great shame he got away with it. As Ant said on BBC5-Live, they repeat the rule on every single briefing before every single race, and that warning is not even a 'yellow card', just a slap on the wrist.

[andrew]

ISLAMATRON - believe what you like. You clearly did not watch the same race as the rest of the world. No point arguing as it is clear that you will just say the opposite of everyone else.

And stop stirring with bull about racism etc. None of that is relevant in the context of this thread. [-X

Either stick to the topic or bugger orf!

(If you want to prattle on about racism, go and open a thread of your own ).

Someone PM me once ISLAMATRON is gone. Cheers for now.

[ISLAMATRON]

Some people seem to loose all reason here! Hamilton did wrong! Hamilton was warned over unsporting bahavior. He was extremely lucky that they did not penalize him. Clearly the stewards expressed that he was wrong! To interprete their leniency as approval of Hamilton's unsporting behavior is unreasonal. You guys are screaping on the edge of having your posts transferred to the fan boy ying yang thread IMO.

NO WB it is the rules and the 1 move advocates that are wrong, every situation should be taken on a case by case basis. As I stated before Massa made 1 move on Button in Austrailia and took off a piece of his front wing(it was clearly blocking, 1 move rule or not) Massa also did the same to Hamilton in Austrailia and neither move was given as much as a warning. Hamilton's 5 or 12 moves down the ultra wide straight in Malaysia caused no contact and was really not unsafe or we would have seen Petrove swerve to avoid rather than swerve to stay behind.

Hamilton gave Petrov much more than a cars width on both sides to make a pass if he was close enough which he clearly wasnt.

[Pandamasque]

NO WB it is the rules and the 1 move advocates that are wrong, every situation should be taken on a case by case basis. As I stated before Massa made 1 move on Button in Austrailia and took off a piece of his front wing(it was clearly blocking, 1 move rule or not) Massa also did the same to Hamilton in Austrailia and neither move was given as much as a warning. Hamilton's 5 or 12 moves down the ultra wide straight in Malaysia caused no contact and was really not unsafe or we would have seen Petrove swerve to avoid rather than swerve to stay behind.

Point taken. Rules should be ignored. Islamatron should decide instead. Can we move on now?

[ISLAMATRON]

The rules are already ignored, evidence of that is Massa's moves in Austrailia. I'm a fan of F.BULK and I love every time he finishes ahead of 6 tenths but he definatly should have been at least warned in Austrailia for those moves. But no such thing occured.

So it is clear the rules are already ignored.

[timbo]

The rules are already ignored, evidence of that is Massa's moves in Austrailia. I'm a fan of F.BULK and I love every time he finishes ahead of 6 tenths but he definatly should have been at least warned in Austrailia for those moves.

Watch here, around 2:00
http://www.veoh.com/browse/videos/categ ... 67QmBzjet4
tell me how many times Massa moved
also check Lewis eyes as he clearly can't judge distances

[andartop]

...NO WB it is the rules and the 1 move advocates that are wrong...

So it is clear the rules are already ignored.

Since the rules are wrong, it can only be a good thing that they are ignored!

So, you do acknowledge that Lewis acted against the rules (which are wrong), and since the stewards investigated his actions, according to the rules (which are wrong), decided to impose no penalty on him other than a warning, something that following your logic would be wrong: therefore, you agree that either:
a) Lewis did indeed act against the rules, but got away with it because the rules are wrong and hence ignored, or
b) Lewis should have actually been punished more harshly, to set things right!

You guys can, and probably will, argue about this until the next race, but I thought that it was quite enjoyable watching the "best driver on the grid" having to resort to such antics just to overtake a newbie. Simply priceless.