Monaco GP 2010 - Monte Carlo

[WhiteBlue]

I don't really see what some of the drivers are complaining about. There have been more than 24 cars on the track in Monaco before and they managed then. Part of the skill at tracks like Monaco in the old (proper) qualifying session of 12 laps over an hour was getting your timing right so you got a relatively clear lap.

I think in this case the drivers complaints have some merits. In the older formats with 24 or 26 cars on track there was more time. Now you will have just 20 minutes for a a full field qualifying which gives each of the guys 200 m of track if they are all out there. It sounds pretty impossible. You can just hope that the faster guys in Q1 will wait 10 minutes and have just one stint with one flying lap. If it stays dry I guess it will remain manageable but in the wet chaos will rain.

On the other hand it would be hard to split the field if the conditions are variable. You cannot compare the times between the two segments and it would always be unfair somehow.

[gibells]

Actually I was watching a race from the mid 80s on BBC's red button (not sure of the year) and only 20 of the 24/26 cars that qualified were allowed to race. Seems like it has always been an issue around here.

[JohnsonsEvilTwin]

Schumacher, Hamilton and Alonso looking to take the fight to the Red Bulls.

My Prediction is (dry)
1.Vettel
2.Alonso
3.Webber
4.Hamilton
5.Schumacher
6.Rosberg
7.Button
8.Massa
9.Kubica

(wet)
1.Schumi
2.Button
3.Kubica
4.Alonso
5.Hamilton
6.Rosberg
7.Vettel
8.Webber
9.Massa

Looks harsh on Massa, but he is looking like a driver on his way out of Ferrari.

[Remote_Access]

Low DF in R30 or McL F-duct is not effective at this track?

Probably not as effective. What counts is traction and how fast you can accelerate, not what your top speed is. The McLaren's top speed might well be ultimately higher, but they've run out of straight before they can achieve it.

With an F-duct it's not just higher max speed, it's higher max speed at a given level of downforce.

Having similar top speed to other teams would suggest to me that they're running higher wing, because they can get away with it. At Monaco it's certainly what I'd be doing. I doubt it gives them a huge gain but everything counts

[segedunum]

With an F-duct it's not just higher max speed, it's higher max speed at a given level of downforce.

Law of diminishing returns. Some of the corners around Monaco are so slow that downforce has rather a minimal effect to the point where more wing doesn't do anything.

[autogyro]

With an F-duct it's not just higher max speed, it's higher max speed at a given level of downforce.

Law of diminishing returns. Some of the corners around Monaco are so slow that downforce has rather a minimal effect to the point where more wing doesn't do anything.

It will show up all the teams who just employ upside down model aeroplane designers rather than race car engineers.

[JohnsonsEvilTwin]

With an F-duct it's not just higher max speed, it's higher max speed at a given level of downforce.

Law of diminishing returns. Some of the corners around Monaco are so slow that downforce has rather a minimal effect to the point where more wing doesn't do anything.

It will show up all the teams who just employ upside down model aeroplane designers rather than race car engineers.

Who would you put up first on the that list?
Newey? as he is pretty good at race car engineering too.

[autogyro]

Good question.
You would have to discount Ferrari as they gain their results by other means.
McLaren might well get caught out.
If it rains, which is predicted, then at Monaco anything is possible even for Lotus.

[autogyro]

Red Bull is still the car to beat, wet or dry, aero or mechanical.
So long as they keep Vettel off the Kerbs and learn to put the wheels on properly.

[andrew]

Good question.
You would have to discount Ferrari as they gain their results by other means.

Not since Mosley shuffled off after allowing some teams (most recently Ferrari) into the FIA candy store.

[Remote_Access]

With an F-duct it's not just higher max speed, it's higher max speed at a given level of downforce.

Law of diminishing returns. Some of the corners around Monaco are so slow that downforce has rather a minimal effect to the point where more wing doesn't do anything.

It's a sport of diminishing returns. Your first million dollars for a tenth, the next million for another hundredth.

You're right, some of the corners are very slow, but not all. And downforce isn't just about corners either, it will impact on braking distances.

[ecapox]

It's a sport of diminishing returns. Your first million dollars for a tenth, the next million for another hundredth.

That's why last year was one of the best in recent memory. The complete technical shake-up overturned that "law of diminishing returns". This year a little less, but lets hope than next year with no DDD, no F-duct (unfortunate), and the return of KERS that this law keeps its ugly head away for a little longer. [-o<

[PlatinumZealot]

What do you guys think of the two extra holes in the wing also?

http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/wp-content/u ... e_2010.jpg

[mx_tifoso]

Great image.



It's cool to see F1 cars having to deal with freaking sewer covers just like the rest of us, as unfortunate as it is.

[lebesset]

latest meteo france update

qually , perhaps showers

race , showers but maybe thunderstorms!!!

probably turn out to be bright and sunny !