Toyota TF110

[PNSD]

Its all well and good using anohter teams car, but when you dont understand the concepts of which it is based upon you will not reach its potential.

For a new team, it is better to start from scratch, learn and understand together and develop from that.

Take STR for example... Only in 2007 (with Vettel) were they good enough to compete against RBR, otherwise they are waaaay behind. Too much too account for just being the engine.

[marcush.]

Its all well and good using anohter teams car, but when you dont understand the concepts of which it is based upon you will not reach its potential.

For a new team, it is better to start from scratch, learn and understand together and develop from that.

Take STR for example... Only in 2007 (with Vettel) were they good enough to compete against RBR, otherwise they are waaaay behind. Too much too account for just being the engine.

I highly doubt you´d not learn a lot more say as HRT from a car like a Toyota then from a Dallara...they no nothing of it ,save that it is crap and would not do anything the same now they got hold of it...
so to buy a car in itself is not the ultimate way ,right but if you do so it is better to buy a works car than something one has tried to make money .

As for Lotus ....they have so many ex Toyota employees i would be surprised there is not a lot of knowledge in there already about this car...so not valid to say they don´t understand the car.

For USGP it was better than what they did chose to do .the money is down the drain
anyways.

For Virgin ..don´t underestimate the bonus of having a current top notch car available as a base of reference.It is like you could walk into Renault or Williams and see EVERYTHING.They do actually know a lot about racecardesign and construction ,but obviously not quite enough.That would have been the chance to take a lot of shortcuts -without painful mishaps.

to make your experience on your own is the most time consuming way to tackle thingss...as we can see in Virgin.

of course if there was a major bug in the toyota it would not be easy to find it ...but then ask Mercedes they have designed their own car and still they cannot pinpoint their problem or better rectify it.

[bill shoe]

Two points-

1. "The design features ... a ride height adjustment system." I will get the issue soon, but I don't have it yet. I'll be interested to see what info they have on the ride height system and if it would be legal under the current interpretation. I assume the ride height system is not currently legal because if it was then they would sell the concept instead of giving it away to a magazine.

2. HRT has been making rumblings about announcing some kind of "technology development partner" for wind tunnel time and designing next year's car. Is this Toyota? Toyota could get them relatively up to date and provide tools for further development (wind tunnel etc.) all in one package.

[aral]

The info is also on f1fanatic. Car was driven by Nakajima. But there is NO mention of any interest from Stefan!

[ESPImperium]

Two points-

1. "The design features ... a ride height adjustment system." I will get the issue soon, but I don't have it yet. I'll be interested to see what info they have on the ride height system and if it would be legal under the current interpretation. I assume the ride height system is not currently legal because if it was then they would sell the concept instead of giving it away to a magazine.

2. HRT has been making rumblings about announcing some kind of "technology development partner" for wind tunnel time and designing next year's car. Is this Toyota? Toyota could get them relatively up to date and provide tools for further development (wind tunnel etc.) all in one package.

Point 1: Is probably a leaky damper system simmilar to what Red Bull was rumored to have, but Christian Horner denied it.

Point 2: There are rumbelings that HRT have been looking at a fresh sheet to them design... Im not sure wether under the current rules they could buy the TF110s that have been made, put in the CA2010 block and run the the TF110s as their second ever car, and develop the TF110 concept into the new HRT car for 2011???

The info is also on f1fanatic. Car was driven by Nakajima. But there is NO mention of any interest from Stefan!

The CF covered one is the on that Stefan didnt get their hands on, the red one they did, and painted red for the red/white/blue livery that they thought about using. The engine cover was to be white with the sidepods blue, but they never got the chance to do that.

[PNSD]

HRT can not run the TF110 this year... dont forget certain car parts have been FIA homologated.. so this year is out of the question. Next year however...

[PlatinumZealot]

I think they should grab it for next year if they can. They should be able to retain the Toyota engine too. I know it was down on power in '09, but I guess a few engine "upgrades" along with it's good fuel efficiency and reliability can do HRT some good.
If HRT is to not get the car, then i would like to see Todt's son and his ART team with the car.

[aral]

I think they should grab it for next year if they can. They should be able to retain the Toyota engine too. I know it was down on power in '09, but I guess a few engine "upgrades" along with it's good fuel efficiency and reliability can do HRT some good.
If HRT is to not get the car, then i would like to see Todt's son and his ART team with the car.

The car would not be able to run in 2011, as it was not designed to accommodate KERS, nor would it be able to run with the double diffuser!

[lotus7]

The car would not be able to run in 2011, as it was not designed to accommodate KERS, nor would it be able to run with the double diffuser!

Double diffuser ? 2011 ? No car will run with a double diffuser in 2011

[Confused_Andy]

Thats what he's saying...

[marcush.]

it would surely be possible to accomodate a conventional difusser or in a further step change to cosworth or renault power would make a new box housing necessary anyways.

[wesley123]

you are actually allowed to run it next year, it is same like the KERS and F-Duct, it is allowed per rules, but the FOTA decided not to use it, so for example the new team decides not to enter the FOTA and will be able to run those things

[JohnsonsEvilTwin]

Sure, but the upheavel caused by running a double diffuser when everyone has already agreed not to is pretty callous.
And if a smaller team tries to do that, how does that sit with the "cost" issue they always like to bring up? Not very well is the answer.

Like KERS this year, no one will run DD's next year because it is not in their interests to do so.

The TF110 looks like a car designed specfically for 2010. In 2011 it would be a lame duck.

[aral]

The car would not be able to run in 2011, as it was not designed to accommodate KERS, nor would it be able to run with the double diffuser!

Double diffuser ? 2011 ? No car will run with a double diffuser in 2011[/quote

Quite! Thats what I said!

The double diffuser is actually banned for 2011. And the current premise, is that KERS will be compulsory for 2011. Be it a standardised unit or not. Although I see that one team is now saying that they wont fit it!

[marcush.]

could anyone fit a mini kers in the sense of a 100w motor and single notebook batterypack and say it is his kers?It needs some development but hey..
For the teams at the back it would save a lot of money and with 2009 regs the time benefit is so small ..