Team: Stefano Domenicali (TP), Mario Almondo (Director of Operations), Aldo Costa (TD), Nicolas Tombazis (CD), Luca Marmorini (HE)
Drivers: Felipe Massa (7), Fernando Alonso (8)
Late, but this needs to be said -- from autosport.com:autogyro wrote:The answer to your question PNSD is because there is a testing ban and it looks like Ferrari is again trying to gain an unfair advantage to the other teams.
(emphasis added)Although in-season testing is banned, teams are allowed to conduct limited 'promotional running' - which has been used by several outfits this year to try and get mileage on new parts.
You udnerstood me wrong. The cars are lenghtened to house the fuel tank, thus by the Ferrari powered teams being the fieds longest cars I am pretty sure their Engine is the most thirsty one, why else having such an long car?gilgen wrote:The length of the car has nothing to do with the fuel consumption! It is to do with the packaging and handling. Merc had to lengthen their wheelbase, but do you honestly think that this affected their fuel consumption??wesley123 wrote:I doubt the Ferrari powerplants are as economical as the renaults engine, look at the ferrari powered cars, those are real battleships with their lengths, i dont know why that is needed if they are as economical as the incredibly short renaultgilgen wrote:Ferrari , over the winter, had found a 10% saving in fuel consumption. This had nothing to do with exhaust manipulation, as there was no back pressure. (it is back pressure that stifles the engine). The answer was in new engine mapping and also in their valve control system, the one that gave problems at the start of the season. This has been rectified, and Ferrari engine is as economical as the Renault engine, and better than the Merc. Changing the exhaust system will make no difference, and in fact may improve the consumption further.
okay, tell me where you want to go when you need a larger fuel tank but cant go wider(due too cooling for example)? You can go higher, but wich stupid would want to do that? It will give you an higher CofG and the difference between a full and empty tank would be much more different. Thus you can only make the car longer.Asphalt_World wrote:The length of the car is not directly related to the size of the fuel tank at all.
Some teams prefer a longer car because this helps with air flow and also tends to make the car handle better in fast corners. However shorter cars tend to be favoured on tight and twisty circuits.
Dont feed the Anti-Ferrari troll. In every Ferrari thread he comes in a whines about how Ferrari cheats or Ferrari lies or Ferrari steals from children. It's pointless.donskar wrote:Late, but this needs to be said -- from autosport.com:autogyro wrote:The answer to your question PNSD is because there is a testing ban and it looks like Ferrari is again trying to gain an unfair advantage to the other teams.
(emphasis added)Although in-season testing is banned, teams are allowed to conduct limited 'promotional running' - which has been used by several outfits this year to try and get mileage on new parts.
It has been well documented that most teams made their cars longer to accommodate the bigger fuel tanks. This is a fact unfortunately.Asphalt_World wrote:Are you ignoring my post and the other post just under my earlier one that gives reasons why some teams go for cars that are a little longer?
Did Mercedes make their car longer during this season?!!! Was it to fit more fuel in? No. It was to alter the cars handling characteristics.
They play with the wheelbase which is what Mercedes have done I believe. They made their car longer by doing this to aid handling and not to expand the fuel tank which of course lives within the wheelbase of a car.Giblet wrote:It has been well documented that most teams made their cars longer to accommodate the bigger fuel tanks. This is a fact unfortunately.Asphalt_World wrote:Are you ignoring my post and the other post just under my earlier one that gives reasons why some teams go for cars that are a little longer?
Did Mercedes make their car longer during this season?!!! Was it to fit more fuel in? No. It was to alter the cars handling characteristics.
Teams don't make their cars longer and shorter for handling characteristics anymore, they screw with the wheelbase instead. Mercedes is an example of this.
Well actually it is, cars have to run the whole race without a fuel stop, thus they need a tank that can handle the needed amount of fuel, so it is most likely to be that the longest cars(lets state that the center of the suspension that is connected to the car are the wheelbaese) are the ones with the biggest tank thus the hihgest consumption.gilgen wrote:My goodness, the fuss about the length of the car! Yes, all cars are longer this year, to accommodate larger fuel tanks, but this in no way "proves" that one car is thirstier than another! The cars are packaged differently, and even then, they do not have to run with full tanks, just enough to do the race. Mclaren ran without full tanks to try and gain a weight advantage, and it nearly backfired! Who knows the exact capacity of each cars tank, and who knows exactly how much fuel is in each, for a race? And then again, what is the criteria for a cars length? Has a car a shorter nose got a larger fueltank, but is still shorter than another car?
If Ferrari had to build a larger car to accommodate a larger tank, they could shorten the wheelbase quite easily, so as to make no difference. The simple fact is that with the new formulation of fuel, and other improvements, the Ferrari engine is no hirstier than any other engine. But who cares. As long as the Ferrari can be competitive, it doesn't matter a jot, about the fuel tank or consumption!
I suggest you have a look at Scarbs site and the bit about length of wheelbase and handling on tight circuits. Wheelbase doesn't really factor into this at all.Asphalt_World wrote:The length of the car is not directly related to the size of the fuel tank at all.
Some teams prefer a longer car because this helps with air flow and also tends to make the car handle better in fast corners. However shorter cars tend to be favoured on tight and twisty circuits.
The Merc is as short as Renaultwesley123 wrote:Well actually it is, cars have to run the whole race without a fuel stop, thus they need a tank that can handle the needed amount of fuel, so it is most likely to be that the longest cars(lets state that the center of the suspension that is connected to the car are the wheelbaese) are the ones with the biggest tank thus the hihgest consumption.gilgen wrote:My goodness, the fuss about the length of the car! Yes, all cars are longer this year, to accommodate larger fuel tanks, but this in no way "proves" that one car is thirstier than another! The cars are packaged differently, and even then, they do not have to run with full tanks, just enough to do the race. Mclaren ran without full tanks to try and gain a weight advantage, and it nearly backfired! Who knows the exact capacity of each cars tank, and who knows exactly how much fuel is in each, for a race? And then again, what is the criteria for a cars length? Has a car a shorter nose got a larger fueltank, but is still shorter than another car?
If Ferrari had to build a larger car to accommodate a larger tank, they could shorten the wheelbase quite easily, so as to make no difference. The simple fact is that with the new formulation of fuel, and other improvements, the Ferrari engine is no hirstier than any other engine. But who cares. As long as the Ferrari can be competitive, it doesn't matter a jot, about the fuel tank or consumption!
