Ferrari F10

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donskar wrote:
gilgen wrote:There seem to be a number of posters who WANT to try and prove the Ferrari is illegal. There is NO proof of this, other than some saying it sounds like traction control. But as I said earlier, they COULD use it if they wanted to, as it is not racing. However, following Mclarens effort at throttle modulation, the ECUs were redesigned to PREVENT any effort at that. I would far rather believe the stewards , scrutineers and other teams, than believe the hypothesis of a few Ferrariphobes. If the Ferraris are passed as legal, then they are legal! If they are found to be using traction control and/or have modified their ECUs, then they would be disqualified!
gilgen, you're fairly new here, so let me help you "read" some posts:

If WhiteBlue: LONG posts, with endless arcane references, almost all concluding "FIA=GOOD; FOTA=BAD"

If autogyro: "model aeroplanes" that is, FOTA and aerodynamics are the root of all evil. And he is always right.

If Islamatron: "FERRARI IS CHEATING" (and "FIA=GOOD; de Montezemola=BAD"

Now back to reality . . .
A little harsh :lol:

That isn't TC that you can hear on the video, as it doesn't always coincide with the car being in the traction zones of the track. Youtube an 'onboard' from a few years back and you can tell the difference straight away, different sound completely.

TC in Action

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wpc3DgNHka8[/youtube]
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mith wrote:I don't see any hole for the hot air to go into diffuser (a'la Red Bull). I can't spot any differences between diffusers at all. But still I really like that photo, cause it's the very first with well lighted upper deck. BTW it's bigger than maximum resolution allowed on the forum. Right click it and then click on 'show image' from the context menu to show it in full resolution (in FF).
http://twitter.com/ScarbsF1/statuses/16955881340 wrote:First pics from Valencia, Ferrari have their exhausts blowing over the diffuser, not through it as with Red Bull http://www.sutton-images.com/previews/d10eur188.jpg
i think this was already posted previously. i was more commenting Scarbs view.

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No photo :(

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The trouble is there are many ways to achieve a traction limiting system.
A full system through the ecu is one way and there are a number of other methods.
Differential control can use a number of different systems and there are a number of different options elsewhere on the powertrain.

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here's a really great shot!

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describes Scarbs view exactly. the exhaust exits alongside the "upper deck"

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isn't there a slit a little left and up from the "http" ?
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Goran2812 wrote:isn't there a slit a little left and up from the "http" ?
you beat me ...just wanted to state this...

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sticky667 wrote:here's a really great shot!

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describes Scarbs view exactly. the exhaust exits alongside the "upper deck"
Wow. The deck of the diffusor that follows the crash structure is a beast. Looks like a large fish mouth.

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the diffusor is a monster... they'we enlarged the whole area and the bodywork does look slimmer from these photos... can't wait for Valencia now!!!

and that's not f*** TC on the Alonso video... ferrari bashers should stop with the conspiracy theories, you're only disgracing your selfs...
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they haven't enlarged nothing. it's as big as before (China).

jason.parker.86
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Almost as big as the Toyota TF110 diffuser ;)

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ecapox wrote:
zgred wrote: Image
What are those red lines across the bodywork? Also at the bottom of the picture it looks like they are using the gold, heat-reflective material that they also use on the inside of the engine cover. Are they worried that it might get too hot? Hopefully no failures or fires, for that matter. :shock:
No, not gold, and just temporary. It is Kapton tape and is just there to help keep the temperautre stickers in place. The stickers are the blue (which look green through the tape) rectangles, with a indicator up the middle to record the max temperature encountered.

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And yes, everyone that recently moved there exhausts is currently absolutley terrified of where those hot gases end up and what the damage will be.

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Blackout wrote:Not gold, multi-layer insulation...

I don't know what those lines are. Red Bull used them when tey tested the current exhausts for the first time.

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hi venom :wink: , i've seen those stripes before , they use to notice the propagation of heat on the exposed surfaces ( race condition) to define the carbon density to apply, after some laps they find the initial stripes with different degrees of colors.

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Another pic [ high-res ] of the diffuser...

http://img693.imageshack.us/img693/8930 ... 076139.jpg

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sticky667 wrote:describes Scarbs view exactly. the exhaust exits alongside the "upper deck"
did Scarbs posted anything about it?
Haven't seen updates in his blogs :roll: