Many say that it was a long time coming, but Nelson Piquet Jr. has now been dismissed as a race driver by the Renault Formula One team. The Brazilian driver competed with Renault from the start of the 2008 season until the 2009 Hungarian GP, totalling 28 Grand Prix events altogether.
Obviously. Sadly MrM screwed up and Briatore and Symonds were let off.Shaddock wrote:If he's damaged goods because of the race fixing incident then surely everyone who had a direct involement would be 'damaged goods' as well?
Then if talent (or lack of) has nothing to do with Nelson's absence from F1 but his involvement in 'Crashgate' how come Symonds is back in demand in the paddock?andrew wrote:Obviously. Sadly MrM screwed up and Briatore and Symonds were let off.Shaddock wrote:If he's damaged goods because of the race fixing incident then surely everyone who had a direct involement would be 'damaged goods' as well?
for one and a half year in F1 NP Jr did not show any signs of improvements, It was the same story all the time: bad performances and stupid mistakes. This is the reason he is not in F1. Briatore saw that and rightly sacked him. I doubt it was on personal basis, seeing the guy who he brought in.Shaddock wrote:Then if talent (or lack of) has nothing to do with Nelson's absence from F1 but his involvement in 'Crashgate' how come Symonds in back in demand in the paddock?andrew wrote:Obviously. Sadly MrM screwed up and Briatore and Symonds were let off.Shaddock wrote:If he's damaged goods because of the race fixing incident then surely everyone who had a direct involement would be 'damaged goods' as well?
If team principals thought Nelson had talent they would re-hire him, just like Pat Symonds who has only recently had his suspension from F1 revoked.andrew wrote:Put him in a team which isn't focused on one driver and he would have done a lot better.
Piquet was brought to Renault to assist in their quest for a WCC. His equipment was almost the same as Alonsos, but he failed miserably to post any good result, apart from the one fortuitous race. He had been on notice for some time. He was not on the radar for any other team. Piquet was, similar B Senna, trading on his family's name, and that is all.andrew wrote:Put him in a team which isn't focused on one driver and he would have done a lot better.
why exactly his deal was rougher than other rockie;s?andrew wrote:I'm not saying that Piquet was the best driver but he got a rough deal at Renault and should have a second chance.
I thought that would be pretty clear from my previous posts. Renault under Briatore's command with his boy Alonso in one of his cars is going to be very one sided. Briatore is terrible at managing two drivers and could only focus on one.vall wrote:why exactly his deal was rougher than other rockie;s?andrew wrote:I'm not saying that Piquet was the best driver but he got a rough deal at Renault and should have a second chance.
Grosjean has shown himself to be pretty damn good in the FIA GT series from what I've seen. He manhandles that Ford GT.mx_tifosi wrote:AFAIK Romain Grosjean is pretty much in the race seat, but with all of the surprises we've had lately we can expect someone else just as well.
have not heard 2nd Beneton driver complaining of worse treatment. Put on the ther side McLaren where every second driver tell the same story...andrew wrote:I thought that would be pretty clear from my previous posts. Renault under Briatore's command with his boy Alonso in one of his cars is going to be very one sided. Briatore is terrible at managing two drivers and could only focus on one.
Try Jos Verstappen, Johnny Herbert and Jenson Button. All got a rough deal at Benetton, albeit Button wasn't partnered with anyone too spectacular.vall wrote:have not heard 2nd Beneton driver complaining of worse treatment. Put on the ther side McLaren where every second driver tell the same story...andrew wrote:I thought that would be pretty clear from my previous posts. Renault under Briatore's command with his boy Alonso in one of his cars is going to be very one sided. Briatore is terrible at managing two drivers and could only focus on one.
I think it was pretty much the same, except that NP was around for 1.5 years and showed no signs of improvement. Grosjean is difficult to judge with a few race and no testing.andrew wrote:If anything Grosjean was much much worse.
