Ferrari team order at Germany - What should be the penalty?

[gcdugas]

Should they be banned? Can they be effectively policed? Does a ban only reward those shrewd enough to mask it? How does this effect gambling? Does F1 shoot itself in the foot with the gambling public? Does F1 shoot itself in the foot with the non-gambling public? And finally if there is a ban, what SHOULD the penalty be? (not what is the present penalty)

[JohnsonsEvilTwin]

All points scored for race should be docked.

[fausto cedros]

Points to the team but none for the drivers.

[mep]

10 seconds penalty for both drivers and no points for the team

[JohnsonsEvilTwin]

Points to the team but none for the drivers.

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Its TEAM orders.
All parties involved should be penalised....Drivers and team.

[timbo]

You know what.
I'd say this, and I know I'd be bashed, but anyway.
If two drivers are racing together and the driver behind is clearly faster for several laps, let them exchange positions.

There are team strategies in all sorts of sport. You always see it in bicycle races.

Team strategy is bad when it is implemented against others or when team asks a driver who IS faster to back off, as happened with Rubens in Austria both times.

I don't think Webber/Vettel crash is better than that. Because it IS a crash.

[manchild]

No points for team, no points for any of drivers since they've known the FIA rules very well too. All participants in crime should be punished. I'd punish even more Massa in this case, since he was the executor of team order. Big fat punishment so that no one forgets it - for the sake of sport.

BTW, Timbo, team orders are banned by FIA rules. Period.
Massa already stated that he deserved the victory, so change of position it was against his own will.

If driver behind is faster he will overtake driver in front, and Alonso wouldn't be able to do that.

Alonso became a crybaby ever since LH beat the sh*t out of him in Mclaren, he's now doing the same in Ferrari. Really pathetic.

[gcdugas]

Does the ban on team orders effectively reward those shrewd enough to mask it? A slow stop, a "jammed" wheel nut, save fuel messages, etc. If you can't insure equity in enforcement then the ban is itself inequitable.

Why does the public seem to allow team orders in bicycle racing but not in other sports?

[timbo]

Does the ban on team orders effectively reward those shrewd enough to mask it? A slow stop, a "jammed" wheel nut, save fuel messages, etc. If you can't insure equity in enforcement then the ban is itself inequitable.

My point as well.
You can always see that one driver is faster than another. Why not allow team change order in that, and only that, case?

[fenix4life]

Scrapped from the race and a ban for next race.

Any small penalty would only lead to more of these.

[mep]

Why does the public seem to allow team orders in bicycle racing but not in other sports?

Dont come up with anything from bicycle racing they also "allow" doping.

[manchild]

You can always see that one driver is faster than another. Why not allow team change order in that, and only that, case?

Don't take this personal, but your logic completely undermines the term "racing" and what circuit racing is always meant.

Faster driver overtakes, faster driver doesn't need team order to overtake. What's your point, reinventing what racing should be after more than 100 years since first GP was held? For the sake of spoiled crybaby drivers, money and sponsors?!

This repeated nonsense done by Ferrari should be severely punished. No one wants to see that crap after 1.5 hours of real racing.

[ajams]

Team orders should be allowed - I don't really see why they aren't.

[manchild]

Team orders should be allowed - I don't really see why they aren't.

So, if this was a soccer match and a player scored goal hitting the ball with his hand, you'd say "Playing with hand should be allowed too - I don't really see why they aren't".

[ajams]

Team orders should be allowed - I don't really see why they aren't.

So, if this was a soccer match and a player scored goal hitting the ball with his hand, you'd say "Playing with hand should be allowed too - I don't really see why they aren't".

That's not a very appropriate comparison really.

Fact is, all sorts of factors can affect the race, such as one driver being given first option on pit stop strategy, or one driver being given a new part, or drivers being instructed NOT to overtake each other.

It happens all the time.

The only reason team orders as we now understand them (i.e. explicitly instructing one driver to move over for the other one) have been banned is that Ferrari did it too often and too obviously in their era of dominance, and the FIA decided it looked bad on TV. Prior to that everybody did it when necessary and it was a perfectly acceptable part of the sport.