Yesterday, the World Motorsport Council decided not to give Ferrari further punishment after they were handed a $100,000 fine for using team orders during the German GP. Today, the FIA released the full decision.
What you should expect? This is the un-biased British mediasiskue2005 wrote:If you still have doubts, here is a videovall wrote: 2007 - Alonso was at least the third in the chain to receive the info. Who know how much he knew about where the info came from and HOW it was obtained.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GBPRSlzVdto
yeah yeah , Alonso fans using this excuse for 3 years nowvall wrote:What you should expect? This is the un-biased British mediasiskue2005 wrote:If you still have doubts, here is a videovall wrote: 2007 - Alonso was at least the third in the chain to receive the info. Who know how much he knew about where the info came from and HOW it was obtained.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GBPRSlzVdto
Yes it is. Alonso fought Massa and lost, Ferrari then ordered Massa out of the way. Jenson fought Hamilton and lost, the team then told them to hold station - the team didn't promote the loser to the victors position. It's not hard to grasp why these situations are different.vall wrote:It is not worse that "Jenson, Jenson, you have to save fuel, you have to save fuel. Mixture 3"
The British media takes every opportunity to bash Alonso since 2007, no? I wonder why they were very fast to forget lie-gate or the occasions when Heikki clearly move to make way to LHsiskue2005 wrote:yeah yeah , Alonso fans using this excuse for 3 years nowvall wrote:What you should expect? This is the un-biased British media
So now we have gone to "Montezemolo paid Todt to issue this ruling?" Seriously?Pup wrote:Of course, this is the bit that makes the least sense. If indeed there wasn't enough evidence, then why did they uphold the fine? And did they not consider all of Ferrari's bluster in the weeks afterward in which they admitted and defended team orders?ecapox wrote:The FIA is run a lot differently now with Max gone. PROVE that Ferrari's message was ordering Massa to let Alonso by. Dont suggest and then base it on a suggestion like Max did, in many cases. Treat the FIA court as a true court. Not some "Well, you were in the vicinity of that murder, and you didnt like the people who were murdered, therefore i sentence you to death.
At this point, I won't hazard a guess as to Todt and the WMSC's intentions. It could be that Luca lined more than a few pockets, or it could be that they really think the rule is idiotic, or it could be that they are playing the Whitmarsh tactic of giving in on the public front while pushing back behind closed doors. That is, Todt may have no intention at all of doing away with the rule, and is simply planning to substitute a version with teeth.
This topic is about Ferrari team orders and its related topicvall wrote:The British media takes every opportunity to bash Alonso since 2007, no? I wonder why they were very fast to forget lie-gate or the occasions when Heikki clearly move to make way to LHsiskue2005 wrote:yeah yeah , Alonso fans using this excuse for 3 years nowvall wrote:What you should expect? This is the un-biased British media
Nice attempt to deflect away from the original point there. You are saying that the information in that interview with Max Mosley is incorrect? That Alonso didn't know that information or where it came from? That he didn't send that email? That he didn't blackmail Ron Dennis with that information? That he didn't lie to the FIA investigators about his knowledge of that information? That all this was made up by the British press due to some racist vendetta against Alonso?vall wrote:The British media takes every opportunity to bash Alonso since 2007, no? I wonder why they were very fast to forget lie-gate or the occasions when Heikki clearly move to make way to LHsiskue2005 wrote:yeah yeah , Alonso fans using this excuse for 3 years nowvall wrote:What you should expect? This is the un-biased British media
Um, no. We have gone to a multitude of possibilities of which I mentioned only a few, of which you picked one. May I suggest you instead pick the second one, which is the one you agree with? See, this is the problem with assuming the rationality of others. I'm beginning to understand WB's philosophy I think.ecapox wrote:So now we have gone to "Montezemolo paid Todt to issue this ruling?" Seriously?Pup wrote:Of course, this is the bit that makes the least sense. If indeed there wasn't enough evidence, then why did they uphold the fine? And did they not consider all of Ferrari's bluster in the weeks afterward in which they admitted and defended team orders?ecapox wrote:The FIA is run a lot differently now with Max gone. PROVE that Ferrari's message was ordering Massa to let Alonso by. Dont suggest and then base it on a suggestion like Max did, in many cases. Treat the FIA court as a true court. Not some "Well, you were in the vicinity of that murder, and you didnt like the people who were murdered, therefore i sentence you to death.
At this point, I won't hazard a guess as to Todt and the WMSC's intentions. It could be that Luca lined more than a few pockets, or it could be that they really think the rule is idiotic, or it could be that they are playing the Whitmarsh tactic of giving in on the public front while pushing back behind closed doors. That is, Todt may have no intention at all of doing away with the rule, and is simply planning to substitute a version with teeth.
Ferrari wasn't punished for team order in 2002. 1 Mil dollar fine was for misconduct of podium ceremony.Pup wrote:It's certainly difficult to reconcile the punishment for Schumacher in '02 and yesterday's ruling. Perhaps we're overlooking the obvious, that the WMSC is just freakin' inept?
