Singapore Grand Prix 2010 - Marina Bay

[Poleman]

Djos we fairly know your favouritism towards Webber so we wont take more posts like that as valid im afraid...It is the exact same situation if u look at it...Webber is alongside Hamilton because he never braked like Sutil did (thus colliding with his competitor)...Its a racing insindent but caused by him...Lets move on.

[TheRMVR]

Baby's, every single of you who's discussing the incident between Webber en Hamilton.

Stunning drive from Alonso and Vettel, McLaren on average 0,5 too slow this race. And once again my prediction was correct. Stil havent received the price for 2 weeks ago.

I think Button is out of the race, its between Webber, Alonso and Vettel, with a small side role for Hamilton.

You are correct, and I apologize. Sorry all.

Ok, good reaction!

[djos]

Djos we fairly know your favouritism towards Webber so we wont take more posts like that as valid im afraid...It is the exact same situation if u look at it...Webber is alongside Hamilton because he never braked like Sutil did...Its a racing insindent but caused by him...Lets move on.

The whole incident was only possible thanks to the gross stupidity of 2 Virgin cars not getting the heck out of the way of 2 championship contenders, the rest was just collateral damage!

Heck Shumi showed later when being lapped by Nando and Seb how to get out of the way, why those 2 clowns felt the need to get racy I'll never know!


Btw, if you'd been around longer you'd know that Im a hell of a lot more objective when it comes to Webber than WB is with Vettel.

[komninosm]

Webber's worst nightmare, Alonso in a equal car to the Red Bull. I'm sorry MW fans, he doesn't have the skill to keep up with Fred without a mechanical advantage.

Keep in mind Webber pitted very early and was on the same set of tires for most of the race.

Exactly, nothing lucky about Webbers drive at all, it was great strategy from RedBull pure an simple!

Oh and the contact with Lewis could have gone either way, it was a racing incident and frankly Hamilton was just a touch too ambitious trying to drive around Webber and then cut across him.





Webber is clearly well down the inside as his nose is alongside Hamitons head, Bob on the other hand is 90% past the FI car!

Clearly you need glasses.
Bob is like 65% past and Hamilton lik 45% in those pics.
Also those pics are not at the exact same "place", one is a bit later than the other. Note the yellow lines by the curb for comparison. Webber had more time to lose his braking point and move further ahead.
Better look at the video from before the turn. Webber is behind Hamilton and then they come to the turn and go right to prepare for turning. Hamilton is ahead and on the braking zone that has been rubbered in. Yet Webber who is already behind and has to brake on the dirty side tries to outbrake Hamilton and causes the crash.

EDIT: Oops sorry you said Hamilton's head and I read it as Hamilton's car's head (nose). You're still wrong about Bob and the rest.

[Intego]

I thought you implied that Webber took the golden opportunity to punt his competitor for the WDC out, like Schumacher did a couple of times in the past (twice successfully, once not so much). You seemed to imply he did it on purpose.
Note I was mildly joking.

Ahh, sorry, translation desease.
No I just mean that Lewis knew Webbers tyres were old and thought he would step back to safe points. But this weekend Webber himself stated that maybe this was his last chance. This clearly is a challenge and I like it.

[Giblet]

Everyone see the pole on the front page

[Sean H]

Djos we fairly know your favouritism towards Webber so we wont take more posts like that as valid im afraid...It is the exact same situation if u look at it...Webber is alongside Hamilton because he never braked like Sutil did...Its a racing insindent but caused by him...Lets move on.

The whole incident was only possible thanks to the gross stupidity of 2 Virgin cars not getting the heck out of the way of 2 championship contenders, the rest was just collateral damage!

Heck Shumi showed later when being lapped by Nando and Seb how to get out of the way, why those 2 clowns felt the need to get racy I'll never know!

Exactly!

Although, Richard Branson probably wants them to mix it up with the leaders to get TV time and stroke his ego.

[747heavy]

I will be interessed to see, how much the FIA is to fine Kov/Lotus for this stunt.
That must be the most stupid thing I have seen in a long time. He should just have driven into the pitlane. Seening the fine for Sutil, I think 20000$ are a fair fine.

Very measured and faultless performance from Alonso/Ferrari.
At the end of the day, good effort/drive from Massa as well.

People keep poking fun at Sutil (I have no problem with that, and he sure has his moments), but when it counts he comes up with the goods, which can´t be said of his team mate. IMO Good and level headed race by him.

Webber vs. Hamilton was a racing incident IMO, nevertheless Webber can be happy that he got away with that one, without a drive throught. If he wins the WDC this year, he should send a Christmas card to the stewards.
Just compare to the Vettel/Button incident in Spa, with a similar outcome for the McL driver.
Webber is a lucky fellow this year, let´s see how long his deal with Karma lasts.

I´m a bit surprised that McLaren did not mirrored Webbers strategy with Button, just to cover all the bases.
Now they where outrun by RBR for pure speed and outsmarted for strategy as well.
They are in the mix, but not special, let´s see how it develops from here.

Interesting strategy from Kubica/Renault, and a very good/determinated drive from Kubica in the last laps. But Renault seems to stagnate a bit as far as outright car speed goes since Spa.

[Poleman]

The stupidity of the 2 Virgins are part of the racing game...Back in Montreal Alonso lost his second place to Button for the exact same reason.

[jddh1]

Not sure how Webber escaped punishment there. Had it been Alonso punting Hamilton out all heck would have broke loose.

[Giblet]

I will be interessed to see, how much the FIA is to fine Kov/Lotus for this stunt.
That must be the most stupid thing I have seen in a long time. He should just have driven into the pitlane. Seening the fine for Sutil, I think 20000$ are a fair fine.

Very measured and faultless performance from Alonso/Ferrari.
At the end of the day, good effort/drive from Massa as well.

People keep poking fun at Sutil (I have no problem with that, and he sure has his moments), but when it counts he comes up with the goods, which can´t be said of his team mate. IMO Good and level headed race by him.

Webber vs. Hamilton was a racing incident IMO, nevertheless Webber can be happy that he got away with that one, without a drive throught. If he wins the WDC this year, he should send a Christmas card to the stewards.
Just compare to the Vettel/Button incident in Spa, with a similar outcome for the McL driver.
Webber is a lucky fellow this year, let´s see how long his deal with Karma lasts.

I´m a bit surprised that McLaren did not mirrored Webbers strategy with Button, just to cover all the bases.
Now they where outrun by RBR for pure speed and outsmarted for strategy as well.
They are in the mix, but not special, let´s see how it develops from here.

Interesting strategy from Kubica/Renault, and a very good/determinated drive from Kubica in the last laps. But Renault seems to stagnate a bit as far as outright car speed goes since Spa.

Fire is very scary. I don't think many humans are keen to stay in a car that is clearly completely on fire.

[Mysticf1]

komninosm

so your saying the fact that kubica is further in front earlier in the corner than hamilton was later in the corner is justification for it being webbers error?

[andrew]

2 cars going for the same piece of tarmac + poor visibility due to cockpit side = crash, bang, wallop.

Racing incident nothing more. That is the view that the race officials have taken and tey are correct.

So you're agreeing with stewards when it suits you and at other times you make conspiracy theories about em? :^o [-X
That's a bit hypocritical you know.
Note that I didn't ask for Webber to get penalty. I merely said it was his fault.

So by your logic I should either always agree or disagree with the race stewards no matter what the situation and irregardless of them being correct or not? So in 2011 I will go for a whole year agreeing with the race stewards, even when I think they are wrong.

The race stewards made the correct decision on this one and I agree with them. I know you would like anyone whole gets within 3 metres of Hamilton to get a penalty but that ain't the way things work. Accept that this was a racing incident and move on, there are other aspects to discuss. Here's a few to get you going:

1. Alonsos chop at the start,
2. Kobyashi's accident,
3. The Lotus afterburner and the inefficiency of the trackside marshalls,
4. Kubicas storming late race pace,
5. Schumacher v Heidfeld,
6. Vettels poor pitstop.
The list goes on....

[komninosm]

Djos we fairly know your favouritism towards Webber so we wont take more posts like that as valid im afraid...It is the exact same situation if u look at it...Webber is alongside Hamilton because he never braked like Sutil did...Its a racing insindent but caused by him...Lets move on.

The whole incident was only possible thanks to the gross stupidity of 2 Virgin cars not getting the heck out of the way of 2 championship contenders, the rest was just collateral damage!

Heck Shumi showed later when being lapped by Nando and Seb how to get out of the way, why those 2 clowns felt the need to get racy I'll never know!


Btw, if you'd been around longer you'd know that Im a hell of a lot more objective when it comes to Webber than WB is with Vettel.

=D> The slow cars have been getting on my nerves every race. I made a post earlier about a driver who wouldn't let Hamilton past and then did the same to Button and probably everyone else. [-X
However blaming them for the incident Webber causes is no good. It seemed to be a classic pass by taking in two tows when the car in front passes a back marker.
I still don't get why they didn't unlap themselves in the SC period. Has that rule been removed?

[djos]

Clearly you need glasses.
Bob is like 65% past and Hamilton lik 45% in those pics.
Also those pics are not at the exact same "place", one is a bit later than the other. Note the yellow lines by the curb for comparison. Webber had more time to lose his braking point and move further ahead.

Better look at the video from before the turn. Webber is behind Hamilton and then they come to the turn and go right to prepare for turning. Hamilton is ahead and on the braking zone that has been rubbered in. Yet Webber who is already behind and has to brake on the dirty side tries to outbrake Hamilton and causes the crash.

My Glasses work just fine thanks Komi, Webbers Front wheel is alongside Hamiltons Air box vs the FI's front wheels are almost parallel with Bobs rear wheels - a big difference imo.

The fact is Webbers tires werent as bad as the MacMerc engineers thought they where and Lewis thought Mark would be an easier kill. ergo racing incident.