Singapore Grand Prix 2010 - Marina Bay

[univex]

Hard to see from the TV grab, however there appears to be a fairly large gap between the rim and sidewall on webbers tire.
Compare to Vettels car on the left.

[djos]

Webber had 7 years of bad luck? And they run out last season?
It seemed to me he was a poor driver in a poor car for those years and is unlucky this year with team mate Vettel crashing into him and various other stuff. Still not the greatest driver either

Harsh, Webber is an excellent driver who was mostly in the right cars at the wrong time - now he has a great car he's doing a damned good job which is why he's curently leading the WDC.

Btw, you dont win Monaco if you are a crap driver or stay in F1 for as long as he has.

[747heavy]

747Heavy - Sorry, I wasn't meaning to counter or critisize your post at all. It's spot on =D> I just thought I would hijack Giblets line on the fire.

I am surprised that Kovi kept going but I agree he should have stopped sooner or he maybe didn't know where the fire marshalls were situated. I would be surprised if Lotus/Kovi get away without a fine or a slap on the wrists.

It´s all good - no offence taken.
And anyone is entitled to his own opinion here- what I said it´s just that - my opinion.
It´s probably more a fault of the Lotus pitwall, then it is of Kov, they should tell him what´s going on, and what to do.
I´m sure the driver in this situation does not has all the facts.

Anyway, let´s be happy that nothing serious has happened, and that we have seen an interesting race.
I just mentioned it, as I feel that the fine for Sutil was a bit over the top compared to the crime. And that the FIA expicitly stated - failed to leave the track in a safe position. I just feel Kov did the same - but it´s not worth to drag on with that for a couple of pages.
Nothing bad happend - and that´s good for all involed.

If we are so fearful of fires in pitlane, we should never have allowed refueling back into F1.
I think the chance of a car exploding in pitlane or on the track it´s a bit far fetched to be honest.
Anyway, I will give it to Kov. that at least he tried to do the right thing in his mind.

[zeph]

Webber had 7 years of bad luck? And they run out last season?
It seemed to me he was a poor driver in a poor car for those years and is unlucky this year with team mate Vettel crashing into him and various other stuff. Still not the greatest driver either

Harsh, Webber is an excellent driver who was mostly in the right cars at the wrong time - now he has a great car he's doing a damned good job which is why he's curently leading the WDC.

+1

[Richard]

Just seen a close up on the TV. Roughly 45 degree of the bead has come off the rim, something like 10 o'clock to 2 o'clock on the pic above. See the nearest front wheel to the camera, on the car on right (ie next to the garage).

His luck has been spot on when up against a competitor, remember he survived the clash in Turkey?

[komninosm]

We disagree, lets leave it at that shall we.

Again someone tries to make it about opinions when it is about facts.
We disagree but also the fact is that even in those pics (which do not show all the story) Kubica is not 90% ahead of Sutil. That is a fact and I know you didn't really mean it, you were probably embellishing and 90 is a nice round number unlike say 67% or whatever. I know I'm being kinda nerdy too. Still my other points are valid too.

Komi, in Aussie Tin Top racing (and most other similar categories) if the person down the inside of the corner is at the B pillar (center of the car, which Webber was) or better, the person on the outside is obliged to ensure there is racing room - the fact is Hamilton thought he was further past Mark than he was and turned in too tight and Mark could not avoid the accident.

Is this a rule in F1?
Again if I lose my braking and end up on the side of someone ahead of me am I covered?
All I said was watch the video footage from earlier too.
Also I said your 90% claim was wrong and it'd be nice if you finally admitted to something instead of accusing me of taking it personal while you and others pile attacks on me.

[djos]

Hard to see from the TV grab, however there appears to be a fairly large gap between the rim and sidewall on webbers tire. Compare to Vettels car on the left.

Nice find, damn that was lucky for Webber it didnt deflate!

[andrew]

A few photos of the Lotus fire:








Webber v Hamilton:

[roost89]

Quite an enjoyable race that one. The single most frustrating bit about the race was the lack of speed with which the marshalls reacted. When the cars dropped it took a few laps for the car(s) to get shifted and with Kovi, he had the fire extinguished before the marshalls had arrived.

Driver of the day: Kubica. Simply because of his dominating overtakes toward the end of the race.
Mark Webber had a very good race, rather lucky to remain in the race with regard to his front right. The tyre was off the rim by a fair margin!

[komninosm]

Hard to see from the TV grab, however there appears to be a fairly large gap between the rim and sidewall on webbers tire. Compare to Vettels car on the left.

OMG
(unless it's shading throwing us off and an optical illusion.)

[zeph]

Nice find, damn that was lucky for Webber it didnt deflate!

How did he manage to bring that home?

[freedom_honda]

Not sure if anyone has posted this on here, but it looks like I was right

http://www.pitpass.com/fes_php/pitpass_ ... t_id=42119

[univex]

Updated quoting myself Damn lucky!

Hard to see from the TV grab, however there appears to be a fairly large gap between the rim and sidewall on webbers tire.
Compare to Vettels car on the left.

[djos]

Komi, in Aussie Tin Top racing (and most other similar categories) if the person down the inside of the corner is at the B pillar (center of the car, which Webber was) or better, the person on the outside is obliged to ensure there is racing room - the fact is Hamilton thought he was further past Mark than he was and turned in too tight and Mark could not avoid the accident.

Is this a rule in F1?
Again if I lose my braking and end up on the side of someone ahead of me am I covered?
All I said was watch the video footage from earlier too.
Also I said your 90% claim was wrong and it'd be nice if you finally admitted to something instead of accusing me of taking it personal while you and others pile attacks on me.

As usual you are missing the point, the point is Webber was far enuf down the inside that Hamilton needed to make sure there was racing room. Most professional racing series have this in their driving standards rule book.

C'mon, Webbers front wheels are along side Hamiltons air-box, the FI's front wheels are alongside Bob's rear wheels - one is a done deal and the other is not!

[komninosm]

Webber had 7 years of bad luck? And they run out last season?
It seemed to me he was a poor driver in a poor car for those years and is unlucky this year with team mate Vettel crashing into him and various other stuff. Still not the greatest driver either

Harsh, Webber is an excellent driver who was mostly in the right cars at the wrong time - now he has a great car he's doing a damned good job which is why he's curently leading the WDC.

Btw, you dont win Monaco if you are a crap driver or stay in F1 for as long as he has.

Hmm, when I said poor I meant not one of the best, sorry. Webber is certainly F1 material, just not one of the greats imo.
This year, RBR was so far ahead (it was like cheating) that Webber should have already clinched the title, or Vettel should. I guess therein lies your problem hehe.
At the very least RBR should have had the team championship clinched.

What do you mean he was in the right cars at the wrong time? That makes no sense, sorry?