Singapore Grand Prix 2010 - Marina Bay

[djos]

Hmm, when I said poor I meant not one of the best, sorry. Webber is certainly F1 material, just not one of the greats imo.
This year, RBR was so far ahead (it was like cheating) that Webber should have already clinched the title, or Vettel should. I guess therein lies your problem hehe.
At the very least RBR should have had the team championship clinched.

What do you mean he was in the right cars at the wrong time? That makes no sense, sorry?

Maybe choose your words more carefully then.

He drove for Williams just when they started to decline during the internal bickering with BMW and then the split - thats right car, wrong timing.

[univex]

Webber had 7 years of bad luck? And they run out last season?
It seemed to me he was a poor driver in a poor car for those years and is unlucky this year with team mate Vettel crashing into him and various other stuff. Still not the greatest driver either

Harsh, Webber is an excellent driver who was mostly in the right cars at the wrong time - now he has a great car he's doing a damned good job which is why he's curently leading the WDC.

Btw, you dont win Monaco if you are a crap driver or stay in F1 for as long as he has.

Webber has left a large number of co-drivers in his wake over the years including Klien, Rosberg, Heidfeld. Only Vettel has managed to be his match. I have to agree, really harsh comments there from Komninosm

[komninosm]

Quite an enjoyable race that one. The single most frustrating bit about the race was the lack of speed with which the marshalls reacted. When the cars dropped it took a few laps for the car(s) to get shifted and with Kovi, he had the fire extinguished before the marshalls had arrived.

Driver of the day: Kubica. Simply because of his dominating overtakes toward the end of the race.
Mark Webber had a very good race, rather lucky to remain in the race with regard to his front right. The tyre was off the rim by a fair margin!

Kubica and Webber's passes were the best part of the race. Otherwise it was boring. McLarens seemed weak, unable to challenge. Vettel didn't challenge Alonso and even pitted on the same lap (lame). 2 SC made it less obvious what a boring race this was with Ferrari and RBR in a class of their own. Massa was a fun clown :p

[komninosm]

Nice find, damn that was lucky for Webber it didnt deflate!

How did he manage to bring that home?

Obviously luck, not skill (unless you count engineering skill of the team).

[andrew]

Here's how the drivers championship is shaping up:

1 Mark Webber Red Bull Racing 202
2 Fernando Alonso Scuderia Ferrari Marlboro 191
3 Lewis Hamilton Vodafone McLaren Mercedes 182
4 Sebastian Vettel Red Bull Racing 181
5 Jenson Button Vodafone McLaren Mercedes 177
6 Felipe Massa Scuderia Ferrari Marlboro 125
7 Nico Rosberg Mercedes GP Petronas 122
8 Robert Kubica Renault F1 Team 114
9 Adrian Sutil Force India F1 Team 49
10 Michael Schumacher Mercedes GP Petronas 46
11 Rubens Barrichello AT&T Williams 39
12 Kamui Kobayashi Sauber 21
13 Vitaly Petrov Renault F1 Team 19
14 Nico Hulkenberg AT&T Williams 18
15 Vitantonio Liuzzi Force India F1 Team 13
16 Sebastien Buemi Scuderia Toro Rosso 7
17 Pedro de la Rosa Sauber 6
18 Jaime Alguersuari Scuderia Toro Rosso 3
19 Jarno Trulli Lotus F1 Racing 0
= Heikki Kovalainen Lotus F1 Racing 0
= Karun Chandhok Hispania Racing Team 0
= Bruno Senna Hispania Racing Team 0
= Timo Glock Virgin Racing 0
= Lucas di Grassi Virgin Racing 0

And the Constructors:

1 Red Bull Racing 383
2 Vodafone McLaren Mercedes 359
3 Scuderia Ferrari Marlboro 316
4 Mercedes GP Petronas 168
5 Renault F1 Team 133
6 Force India F1 Team 62
7 AT&T Williams 57
8 Sauber 27
9 Scuderia Toro Rosso 10
10 Lotus F1 Racing 0
= Hispania Racing Team 0
= Virgin Racing 0

[djos]

Webber had 7 years of bad luck? And they run out last season?
It seemed to me he was a poor driver in a poor car for those years and is unlucky this year with team mate Vettel crashing into him and various other stuff. Still not the greatest driver either

Harsh, Webber is an excellent driver who was mostly in the right cars at the wrong time - now he has a great car he's doing a damned good job which is why he's curently leading the WDC.

Btw, you dont win Monaco if you are a crap driver or stay in F1 for as long as he has.

Webber has left a large number of co-drivers in his wake over the years including Klien, Rosberg, Heidfeld. Only Vettel has managed to be his match. I have to agree, really harsh comments there from Komninosm

Not to mention Justin Wilson and Antonio Pizzonia the latter who Williams had very high hopes for and was dispatched with ease.

[andartop]

That was surely the best Singapore GP so far.
Championship wise, it would have been even better had Webber and Hamilton ended both out of the race in that incident, but it was still good!
I don't know if it helps your debate guys, but Hamilton said on the BBC he had no idea Webber was there and he wanted to watch the videos before commenting or blaming anyone.
From the stills posted I think it looks like Kubica leaves more room for Sutil than Hamilton did for Webber, which would be justified since he had no idea Webber was still on the inside.
However, one of the Virgins did play a role in delaying Webber, and I think that should have been looked at by the stewards.
Other than that just a racing incident. Tough luck. Move on.

[mep]

So what kind of punishment would you guys give the driver/team who continued to drive on track after the car was on fire?
I think the team deserves a really hard punishment. The reason why they did so is simple. They wanted him to start last lap to get money for it but what they did is a very bad act.

1.) They spread the oil over the track.
2.) The smoke causes some danger to other drivers because of the reduced sight
3.) Worst thing is and that’s why they really should get a harsh punishment is the smoke itself. This burning carbon fibers and all the other stuff causes very high poisonous smoke. I don't anybody to get cancer in a couple of years because he was exposed to such smoke because they want to get some additional money.

[zeph]

Nice find, damn that was lucky for Webber it didnt deflate!

How did he manage to bring that home?

Obviously luck, not skill (unless you count engineering skill of the team).

That is a rather large bowl of sour grapes you have there.

[djos]

Yeah I did not expect you to admit even the tiniest mistake... (90%)
Also you are the one missing the point. Webber braked less hard than Sutil and also the pics aren't in the same place on the turn. Again see footage for all the events. From the straight before to the crash. For both incidents.

You are impossible, I never said Webber was mistake free, go on show my quote!

Btw, just about neck and neck in this photo:

[vall]

I would be very nervous if I were Alonso.
I mean, he is going to be dancing with the Boss all light long Lionnel richie style.
Who knows how long his engine will hold up? Or his gearbox? It could possibly have the same problem as Massa's.. I wonder how long his car will last?

how exactly? By being 1 sec/lap slower by Alonso

[vall]

The stupidity of the 2 Virgins are part of the racing game...Back in Montreal Alonso lost his second place to Button for the exact same reason.

For the same reason LH won that race - backmaker slowed Alonso the lap before his pit stop. He lost 2.5s or so could not emerge ahead of LH

[komninosm]

Yeah I did not expect you to admit even the tiniest mistake... (90%)
Also you are the one missing the point. Webber braked less hard than Sutil and also the pics aren't in the same place on the turn. Again see footage for all the events. From the straight before to the crash. For both incidents.

You are impossible, I never said Webber was mistake free, go on show my quote!

Btw, just about neck and neck in this photo:

/facepalm
I meant the 90% you said about Kubica. Go reread some post please.
Also you failed to counter my other real arguments.
Finally this pic here shows nothing clearly and you know it. The angle is more for show than judgments. I thought you didn't want to belabor the point anyway :^o [-X

[PlatinumZealot]

I would be very nervous if I were Alonso.
I mean, he is going to be dancing with the Boss all light long Lionnel richie style.
Who knows how long his engine will hold up? Or his gearbox? It could possibly have the same problem as Massa's.. I wonder how long his car will last?

how exactly? By being 1 sec/lap slower by Alonso

The date was called off due to some technical problems with the MP4-25.

[thestig84]

Yeah I did not expect you to admit even the tiniest mistake... (90%)
Also you are the one missing the point. Webber braked less hard than Sutil and also the pics aren't in the same place on the turn. Again see footage for all the events. From the straight before to the crash. For both incidents.

You are impossible, I never said Webber was mistake free, go on show my quote!

Btw, just about neck and neck in this photo:

That photo is taken early in the corner. Doesnt tally with LH rear wheel hitting Webbers front, which suggests LH was ahead. I think a racing incident but LH unlucky as his front is weaker than ferrari rear and his rear is weaker than redbull front.

Mclaren doesnt appear to hold up as as some of it rivals when its in wheel to wheel contact. Good race though, well done Alonso and Vettel. Cant imagine how tough that pace in those conditions was! Well done all finishers.