Nico Hulkenberg has also been given a 20-second penalty by the stewards for gaining an advantage in turn 7 in the first lap of the Singapore GP. This drops the Williams driver one spot, moving Felipe Massa up to 8th.
No one said Hamilton is always mistake free or blame freeandrew wrote:No but he still drives into Webber before the first chicane and then runs a Toyota onto the grass....
Look at Webber's steering wheel right before contact. He's starting to turn for the corner. He's also slightly sliding in the wet with his foolish late braking. Hamilton squeezed him because he had a turn to make and because Webber was nowhere near close on the straight to attempt a pass. But he gave him exactly 1 car width room to brake. It's not his fault that Webber tried to turn too soon. Did he not see a car in his bloody way? [-Xandrew wrote:
In terms of a penalty at Singapore I feel it would not be fair despite, in my opinion, that Webber was at fault. Handing out penalties that freely would just act as a deterrent to passing resulting in what we saw on the weekend with Vettel vs Alonso. I am pretty sure Vettel balanced the extra points against a DNF or a possible penalty had he tried to overtake. Exciting, no, mature of Vettel yes. I think if we saw penalties handed out at a rate some people ask for on this forum we would see F1 turn into slot-car racing on a single track.komninosm wrote:
EPIC FAIL WEBBER.
That's pretty much what he did in Singapore too. He really should get penalized. He's even crashed into a car on a straight and taken to flight. Why no penalty for Singapore? [-X
Why did he come into the pits very soon after the race started & change to the hard compound tires when others including Alonso clearly demonstrated that the softer option was fast & durable? Also, why was he stuck behind Hulk without making any attempts to pass? His Ferrari was not even getting close to the rear of the Williams. 
Surely, the Ferrari was faster than the Williams.Maybe Ferrari wanted Massa to save the engine, as his race was seriously compromised since Q3. This would mean that Massa would be in a far stronger position to help Alonso , in the next race.GTO wrote:I was very disappointed with Massa's race.
djos wrote:Lewis Deliberately chopped Webber in that instance and it almost ended in tears for Mark:raymondu999 wrote:The last time I remember Mark/Lewis banging wheels (or coming close to doing so) with each other is Monza 08... and I don't think those collisions have ever resulted in a DNF for either one. I could be wrong though.
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So in effect they've given up on the Constructors...which is a bit surprising & also understandable considering the 64 point defecit to RBR.andrew wrote:^^ My thoughts exactly. Ferrari's strategy for Massa centred around a safety car but this happened too early for them to benefit. Only sensible to save the engine.
I wouldn't say they have given up completly, but more that they want to leave something extra in bag for when it is needed i.e. a reasonably fresh engine for Massa. I also think that part of the Ferrari game plan includes engine failures/changes/turning down the power of the engines for the likes of McLaren and Red Bull.GTO wrote:So in effect they've given up on the Constructors...which is a bit surprising & also understandable considering the 64 point defecit to RBR.andrew wrote:^^ My thoughts exactly. Ferrari's strategy for Massa centred around a safety car but this happened too early for them to benefit. Only sensible to save the engine.
He turned the steering wheel to the right to straighten up, big difference between that and what Vettel did to him in Turkey!komninosm wrote:Look at Webber's steering wheel right before contact. He's starting to turn for the corner. He's also slightly sliding in the wet with his foolish late braking. Hamilton squeezed him because he had a turn to make and because Webber was nowhere near close on the straight to attempt a pass. But he gave him exactly 1 car width room to brake. It's not his fault that Webber tried to turn too soon. Did he not see a car in his bloody way? [-Xandrew wrote:
Vettel was not even trying to do that, he was just taking the straight line fro the exit of the corner to the racing line to the braking point of the next corner, in the process passed an Mark Webber who had brain fade who decided to run into the side of Vettel.djos wrote:He turned the steering wheel to the right to straighten up, big difference between that and what Vettel did to him in Turkey!komninosm wrote:Look at Webber's steering wheel right before contact. He's starting to turn for the corner. He's also slightly sliding in the wet with his foolish late braking. Hamilton squeezed him because he had a turn to make and because Webber was nowhere near close on the straight to attempt a pass. But he gave him exactly 1 car width room to brake. It's not his fault that Webber tried to turn too soon. Did he not see a car in his bloody way? [-Xandrew wrote:
wait so now there is a media conspiracy? Some of you new guys need to go back to Crash.net this is a technical forum. If it were mine you would be gone already.WilliamsF1 wrote:
Vettel was not even trying to do that, he was just taking the straight line fro the exit of the corner to the racing line to the braking point of the next corner, in the process passed an Mark Webber who had brain fade who decided to run into the side of Vettel.
Vettel not passing cleanly is a fabricated story of the Anglo press, it is not like Mark Webber did not have space to move, he had more half the road but decided that the Vettels side is better place for his front wheel.
Mark Webber expects everyone to put up with is arrogance on track and the worst is the FIA and Anglo community is cheering him on, with favors from the stewards office.
flynfrog wrote:wait so now there is a media conspiracy? Some of you new guys need to go back to Crash.net this is a technical forum. If it were mine you would be gone already.WilliamsF1 wrote:
Vettel was not even trying to do that, he was just taking the straight line fro the exit of the corner to the racing line to the braking point of the next corner, in the process passed an Mark Webber who had brain fade who decided to run into the side of Vettel.
Vettel not passing cleanly is a fabricated story of the Anglo press, it is not like Mark Webber did not have space to move, he had more half the road but decided that the Vettels side is better place for his front wheel.
Mark Webber expects everyone to put up with is arrogance on track and the worst is the FIA and Anglo community is cheering him on, with favors from the stewards office.
