Replacing fossil fuels

[autogyro]

It amazes me that some people just dont get it.
How much of the land area around Chernobyl is unusable and for how long?
Japan might well loose a very large part of its land mass for any human purpose for a very long time.
I hope it does not but the possibility is there.

This fact alone makes the siteing of 50 nuclear reactors close to a geological fault line totaly unacceptable.

There is much more to this issue than meets the casual, complacent glance of the comfortable, wealthy capitalist.
Japan has used nuclear power to dominate the main world markets, ever since the Americans began using it as a capitalist money mine after the war. They shunned nuclear weapons but were prepared to use nuclear energy in a huge way, to follow the capitalist 'dream' of profits at ANY cost. The cost was to put their population at huge risk.
It is a delusion, the waste from nuclear is building up like an evil monster for our children and grand children to pay for. So much for the greedy, selfish, criminal 'dream'.
Alternative energy development to replace this evil and the evil of fossil fuels has been held back for many decades because of this drive for profit at any cost.
Where is the social responsibility from governments? They have given it to private industry that would kill its grandmother for profit.
The world needs responsible leaders who will work to improve our planet and our lives. Not from material greed but through environmental balance and social interaction. It can happen and world communication can make it so.

[Pup]

Ah, well, I'd obviously forgotten to take into account The Great Conspiracy. Is that something you figured out yourself, or did one of the Napoleons from down the hall let you in on the secret?

[Shrieker]

Pup,

So only 56 casualties from Chernobyl, eh ?

How convenient it is for you to bring up the word 'coal' every time you feel cornered; especially when the words 'wind', 'solar' and 'wave' are brought up. No one is supporting fossil fuels (as the title of the topic suggests), so stop using it for anti-anti-nuclear arguement. You're being ridiculous.

The amount of energy brought to the Earth by the Sun even on a daily basis is H-U-G-E.

[autogyro]

Ah, well, I'd obviously forgotten to take into account The Great Conspiracy. Is that something you figured out yourself, or did one of the Napoleons from down the hall let you in on the secret?

It is no conspiricy just outright greed that has bred criminality.
It is obvious to anyone who looks hard enough.

[Pup]

Pup,

So only 56 casualties from Chernobyl, eh ?

How convenient it is for you to bring up the word 'coal' every time you feel cornered; especially when the words 'wind', 'solar' and 'wave' are brought up. No one is supporting fossil fuels (as the title of the topic suggests), so stop using it for anti-anti-nuclear arguement. You're being ridiculous.

The amount of energy brought to the Earth by the Sun even on a daily basis is H-U-G-E.

Yes, very convenient to mention coal in an argument against coal. If I ever make an argument against solar power, I'll try to remember not to mention the sun.

[autogyro]

I still cant understand what you are trying to say pup.
Fossil fuels are all produced by the Sun through photo synthesis.
The difference is releasing the CO2 that coal has locked up in it.
The potential dangers of doing this in environmental terms are very large and soon will not be reversable.
The dangers of nuclear energy are not just the numbers of humans killed up to now. It is the risk of very rapid and ireversable environmental damage at all levels of biological life.
Stop mining coal and drilling for oil and the rest stays in the ground.
Stop nuclear dead today and our great great grandchildren will STILL be at risk from the spent fuel and they will still be paying the costs.
Nuclear is a magic carpet ride for criminal capitalists with no conscience.
Fossil fuel is a cop out for bad government chasing the defunct greedy capitalist 'dream', profit at any cost.
Short term patches both of them in global terms. If the mindset is changed and we develop workable alternatives the long term results will be far far better.

[autogyro]

I see pup and now ciro have moved onto another thread that I cannot post on to continue their blinkered and narrow minded diatribe on anti wind power and pro filthy nuclear and fossil fuel.
Ciro is now quoting reams of figures and facts to support nuclear and fossil fuel use, all perfectly true of course and completely irelevent.
I have to sit on the side lines clearing my computer of the continual malware attacks from vested interest (I know who), because I am banned from free comment on the rest of the forum, why is that?
Of course wind and other alternative energy systems will need major subsidies until they are well established and we must be prepared to pay more to achieve any of the essential CO2 targets.
Of course nuclear and fossil fuel energy production will be cheaper in simple monetary terms for the future than alternatives, this is obvious to a one cell life form, let alone an ordinary human. This is exactly THE reason why we have a serious ecological problem. Cheap filthy energy production for the sake of profits at any cost.
In Japan it built their economy since WW2 and now they can see the real cost.
I fully agree that governments are doing things completely wrong on energy. It is because thay are trying to organise it for the benefit of big business within the current capitalist greed system. It dont work and it MUST be obvious by now that it doesnt.
We vote our governments in to RULE over issues like our energy needs, NOT for them to be controlled on these issues by private greed.
Until control is taken from these vested interests,there will be no real progress and the environment will get progresively worse and our standard of living will fall along with our environment, as we try to fight disaters with less and less available resources both in money and energy.
How many reactors are working in Japan????????

[autogyro]

http://www.nextgreencar.com/news-item.p ... ld-records

Hmmm