Malaysian GP 2011 - Sepang

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andrew wrote:
zeph wrote:Hamilton says he expected the penalty, but for the life of me I can't really see what he did wrong.
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L61_AevsjMs[/youtube]

Changed direction 3 times on the start finish straight.
That's obvious penalty.

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andrew wrote: Changed direction 3 times on the start finish straight.
I find it hard to see, honestly. Meanwhile, over at the other forum people are wondering why Vettel didn't get a penalty for his start as he did similar weaving:
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AtQOGs_V ... dded#at=36[/youtube]

Again, I don't really see it. To me that's just a part of racing.

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Hamiltons weaving was blatently obvious. Coming out of turn 15 with Alonso at his back bottom, Hamilton move left (1), a bit to the right (2) and the left again (3) to take the line for the next corner. There is also a slight move to the right in the braking zone which could be due to a bump.

As for Vettel, I don't know. I always thought that the weaving rules didn't apply on the run down to the first corner. Reg's anyone?

Either way I don't see anything wrong with what Vettel did on the run to turn 1, especially when you compare him to the McLaren behind that is wildly darting from side to side.

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I know I'm a little too late, but I have to say it was amazing to see Heidfeld coming third :)
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On the earlier pages, before the race, some of you said that the DRS zone on the pit straight is a mistake because turns 1 and 2 form sort of a chicane. Fortunately that "chicane" didn't spoiled the show as it was place of some creative manoeuvres. If driver ahead guarded the inside of turn 1 the other could overtake on outside in turn 1 to be on the inside in turn 2.

In general it was a nice race to watch. Partially due to the DRS and partially to the tyres. For me they're great. Good driver should know how the tyres behave and how many laps he may get from a set of rubber.

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kakogohrena wrote:Hamilton vs Button :( race history graf

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That is very good. Should put it in the race statistics thread.
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andrew wrote:Hamiltons weaving was blatently obvious. Coming out of turn 15 with Alonso at his back bottom, Hamilton move left (1), a bit to the right (2) and the left again (3) to take the line for the next corner. There is also a slight move to the right in the braking zone which could be due to a bump.

As for Vettel, I don't know. I always thought that the weaving rules didn't apply on the run down to the first corner. Reg's anyone?

Either way I don't see anything wrong with what Vettel did on the run to turn 1, especially when you compare him to the McLaren behind that is wildly darting from side to side.
Hamilton's twitching was overlooked by almost %100 of viewers.. Vettel's side sweeping on the other hand was glaringly obvious! 3 abrubt changes of direction!

I'm not going to let it get to my head though, as Hamilton said in his interview,"I'm not surprised."
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Hamilton had an odd race. Everything seemed fine until he put that final set of primes on, then everything went downhill fast.

According to Adam Cooper on Twitter, the tyres responsible for the 'bad' stint had already been used (presumably on his first Q2 lap in qualifying), and never really worked in the race. Slightly bizarre that McLaren would choose to use so many tyres in qualifying, when we all knew the race could be a 3-4 stopper.

Ted Kravitz, in his post-race debrief for the BBC, says Hamilton demanded the final pit stop despite his mechanics recommending him otherwise. Very odd. If I had to guess why, I'd say he blamed that particular set of hards for ruining his race, and couldn't stand the sight of them by final laps...

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HAM is just running down the marble-alley....
there is much more line changing in Vettels start...
this is not a penalty, Alonso's penalty is also a joke
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andrew wrote:Hamiltons weaving was blatently obvious. Coming out of turn 15 with Alonso at his back bottom, Hamilton move left (1), a bit to the right (2) and the left again (3) to take the line for the next corner. There is also a slight move to the right in the braking zone which could be due to a bump.

As for Vettel, I don't know. I always thought that the weaving rules didn't apply on the run down to the first corner. Reg's anyone?

Either way I don't see anything wrong with what Vettel did on the run to turn 1, especially when you compare him to the McLaren behind that is wildly darting from side to side.
The point is that Hamilton was trying to overtake, Vettel was blocking. Vettel changes direction at least 3 times if not 4.

There are no rules that say you can weave at the start but not at any other time. This is the inconsistency I was talking about. Hamilton changes direction 3 times, Vettel was similarly weaving at the start.

I don't want to see either driver penalised, but if one is to be punished they both should. I'm sure there were numerous other examples throughout the race for anyone with the patience to go through the video.

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By such a logic they should penalize almost all drivers immediately after the start, because everyone is moving left and right. Why should the leader be deprived of that?
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Yeah. The start will be awesomely hectic and everyone will be swerving left and right. Either to block, or to avoid stationary/slow traffic.
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Hamilton's weaving wasn't particularly aggressive, I've seen worse, what he did last year for example.

It shouldn't have been a penalty, and neither should Alonso's contact. It seems 'racing incidents' don't exist anymore? The FIA seem to believe all drivers are hell bent on breaking the rules... I mean this is race 2 and drivers are getting penalties already!? It should have been a "don't do it again", with the real penalty coming next time.

Once again this is another case of the FIA altering the result of a race after the race has finished.

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Lap 28 - Schumacher Vs. Kobayashi - Schumacher made 2 moves on the pit straight, penalty please.

Lap 44 - Petrov Vs. Massa - Petrov also does a similar thing, penalty please.

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The worst case by far in this race of a breach of the weaving rule is vettel at the start...