How to fix a Tilkedrome

[Pandamasque]

I'm sure I've seen some documentaries about Chris Bangle being a genius artist and all that. The more I look at this similarity, the more it makes sense. Both like to go in detail and experiment, while the big picture is being hideously messed up in the end.

[godlameroso]

The Chinese GP was awesome this year, I personally like the track. It requires great precision, also Hamilton passed Vettel in the highest speed corner in the whole track. Tilke makes some very challenging tracks, IMO Yas Marina would have a better overtaking spot if they removed the chickens after the two long straights, I mean come on there was absolutely no passing there, even Singapore had more passing and that's a 100% street circuit

[SiLo]

Personally, I think they should do a massive online count of which corners spectators love the most. Then make an entire track filled with exact replicas of these corners.

Can you imagine going through eau rouge, then a small straight into Istanbul Turn 8, running down into Maggots and Beckets? That would be awesome.

The track would ultimately be rather crap for overtaking though.

[beelsebob]

Personally, I think they should do a massive online count of which corners spectators love the most.

I'll start then – everything from Juncau through to (and including) the senna S.

[Pandamasque]

IMO Yas Marina would have a better overtaking spot if they removed the chickens after the two long straights

That shouldn't be hard to do.

Personally, I think they should do a massive online count of which corners spectators love the most. Then make an entire track filled with exact replicas of these corners.

Can you imagine going through eau rouge, then a small straight into Istanbul Turn 8, running down into Maggots and Beckets? That would be awesome.

I remember there was such a project published in F1Racing magazine back in 2004.

[bot6]

I quite like some of Tike's tracks (I think China is pretty interesting with a good variety of corners for instance) but I do regret seeing the historic venues disappear from F1. The whole tax to host a GP thing is getting a bit out of hand, and I think we are increasingly going to see new tracks being built for one or two GPs and then disappearing from the calendar again because they don't make enough money. The whole Magny-Cours VS Versailles thing for example is plain ridiculous. Anyone who ever went to Versailles would know an F1 track would have no place there whatsoever.

So maybe it's time to stop building new tracks all the time?

[beelsebob]

I quite like some of Tike's tracks (I think China is pretty interesting with a good variety of corners for instance) but I do regret seeing the historic venues disappear from F1. The whole tax to host a GP thing is getting a bit out of hand, and I think we are increasingly going to see new tracks being built for one or two GPs and then disappearing from the calendar again because they don't make enough money. The whole Magny-Cours VS Versailles thing for example is plain ridiculous. Anyone who ever went to Versailles would know an F1 track would have no place there whatsoever.

So maybe it's time to stop building new tracks all the time?

But then anyone who knows Magny-Cours would know that a good F1 track would have no place there whatsoever too

[bot6]

Frankly, does anyone think Austin is going to attract more people to the racetrack than Indy?

[Giblet]

Do you mean more than the 225,000 people it had in 2000? That's good for an inaugural race.

It was down more to around 100,000 towards the end, which is a decent attendance figure compared to some Middle Easter races. The Mickey Mouse nature of the Indy infield and the Michelin disaster really killed that race, and Tony George's inability to finance proper promotion.

If Texas is a good track, then the race could quite well. I've never been to Texas, and as a Canadian it would be a decent week long trip with the race in the middle.

[n_anirudh]

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/90938

Banked corners at Turn 9 and wider entry into turns 5,6 and making the doubl left handler at 13/14 to a single one...would these be enough to make it exciting given that we were racing under the same rules as in '10?

[beelsebob]

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/90938

Banked corners at Turn 9 and wider entry into turns 5,6 and making the doubl left handler at 13/14 to a single one...would these be enough to make it exciting given that we were racing under the same rules as in '10?

I doubt the changes to turns 5/6/7 will make any difference at all, they need to simply remove 5 & 6. The change to 9 I don't think will allow overtaking in 8 – you'll still get repassed, but what it might allow is for people to be close enough into 11 & 12, and if 13/14 becomes one open corner that could well create a nice passing place.

[ESPImperium]

The removal of 5 and 6 is needed, as this is a natural overtaking zone that is being missed at turn 7. I know in my diagram earlier in the thread someone pointed out that thre is a lack of a run off due to the grandstand. Thats what i want, if a driver makes a mistake, the race is ended for that driver.

As for the chichane at 8/9, that needs to be tighter, but with a couple of diffrent lines into there, but coming out to 9 it needs to open up, so if you defend too deeply or attack too deeply, you can be re-passed easily.

As for 11/12/13, glad that is being made into one sweeping corner, to make 14/15/16 the double right hander going into the hotel section, that should be a higher entry speed to that section as to make it more difficult and harder for the drivers, also as a mistake maker, sort the men from the boys here.

All the changes id make would mean there would be about one extra lap on the race distance, whitch would make things more challenging on a strategy format and for the engines as well, as more laps at the end of the season is just what the engine guys dont want.

[astracrazy]

Thats what i want, if a driver makes a mistake, the race is ended for that driver.

whilst i agree that makes exciting racing. i think your more likely to get more overtakes if there is a get out clause at the end (i.e run off)

I bet the majority of the drivers would rather stay behind the driver in front that try a move which would be a 50/50 - overtake or its race over.

[Just_a_fan]

Thats what i want, if a driver makes a mistake, the race is ended for that driver.

Then you'd get no overtaking in that area. Drivers need to be able to make mistakes that only cost them time because then they'll take the gamble; if an overtake attempt can result in a "car/barrier interface scenario" then they won't try it.

[Pup]

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/90938

Banked corners at Turn 9 and wider entry into turns 5,6 and making the doubl left handler at 13/14 to a single one...would these be enough to make it exciting given that we were racing under the same rules as in '10?

Token changes, and nothing more. Why not just get rid of those three chicanes?