Spanish GP 2011 - Barcelona

[Mandrake]

1.19.5 Mark Webber with KERS & DRS and the overrun thing put on hold he will be flying.
Vettel
Alonso
Hamilton

I doubt that Webber would be able to "fly" with EBD on hold....Possibly he would suffer a little less than Vettel, but the EBD did also help him, because it is more efficient than any driver can ever be!

Pole Time Prediction: 1:19.784 in dry conditions!

[djos]

1.19.5 Mark Webber with KERS & DRS and the overrun thing put on hold he will be flying.
Vettel
Alonso
Hamilton

I doubt that Webber would be able to "fly" with EBD on hold....Possibly he would suffer a little less than Vettel, but the EBD did also help him, because it is more efficient than any driver can ever be!

Pole Time Prediction: 1:19.784 in dry conditions!

Fully EBD is going to be around for a couple of races yet by the looks of things.

Apparently tho last year (1st half) when Webber was beating Vettel frequently it was due to the fact that he was able to get more out of the car with the less stable on throttle only EBD than Vettel as he was more comfortable with it - perhaps due to his being around in the V10 high horsepower era?

[zgred]

Circuit map

[MikeFromCanada]

lap records is recorded in race right?

That's correct. I never really understood that concept of a "fastest lap" not actually beingthe fastest lap around the circuit...

Note, the DRS detection and activation zones have been confirmed this morning.



http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/91494

[LionKing]

1.19.5 Mark Webber with KERS & DRS and the overrun thing put on hold he will be flying.
Vettel
Alonso
Hamilton

I doubt that Webber would be able to "fly" with EBD on hold....Possibly he would suffer a little less than Vettel, but the EBD did also help him, because it is more efficient than any driver can ever be!

Pole Time Prediction: 1:19.784 in dry conditions!

Fully EBD is going to be around for a couple of races yet by the looks of things.

Apparently tho last year (1st half) when Webber was beating Vettel frequently it was due to the fact that he was able to get more out of the car with the less stable on throttle only EBD than Vettel as he was more comfortable with it - perhaps due to his being around in the V10 high horsepower era?

Actually it was Vettel who was faster at the beginning of last year(Bah, Aus, China). Webber was faster in Spain and Monaco. So I do not think it was EBD related. Red Bull found a defect in chassis, after which Vettel got a new one in Turkey.

[Mandrake]

Fully EBD is going to be around for a couple of races yet by the looks of things.

Apparently tho last year (1st half) when Webber was beating Vettel frequently it was due to the fact that he was able to get more out of the car with the less stable on throttle only EBD than Vettel as he was more comfortable with it - perhaps due to his being around in the V10 high horsepower era?

I never questioned that theory, I only said that also Webber will have profited, because that engine mapping is more efficient than any driver can ever be. The effect of retarted ignition can not be stimulated by just applying some throttle in off power situations. Also there are downsides with applying throttle in braking / off power zones.

Back on topic: Since EBD is back in place at is was before I doubt that we'll see any surprises in the race. MGP (if their big update proves to be efficient in any way) might be on par with McLaren this race, that's what I hope badly And pleaassseeee, no problems with Michael's car this time, can't be so hard can it?

[HampusA]

If i read right, this is the longest DRS zone they´ve had?

You would think that with Turkey and China where some drivers just sailed past that they would make it shorter :S
Surely the last corner before the DRS zone in China for example has a higher exit speed then last corner at Spain?

[Mr Alcatraz]

1.19.5 Mark Webber with KERS & DRS and the overrun thing put on hold he will be flying.
Vettel
Alonso
Hamilton

I agree with you on the lap time (not sure Mark will pip Vettel). These guys (Red Bull) have continued to amaze with their quali pace. That would be .45 faster than last season. I think it's doable

[HampusA]

Yea i´m not even sure Webber will take it, i think Vettel will reign supreme but i hope webber in equal machinery will put a stop to this.

19.5 seems somewhat reasonable since they last year they did 19.9. Of course the DF levels are somewhat lower this year they still have KERS and DRS.
But we have seen just how effective DRS is over one straight.

[rfs]

If we want to predict the pole position time, we should look at the he gaps between last years pole times and this year's. And it looks like the gaps have been getting bigger. (I removed Malaysia since the 2010 qualifying that year was wet.)

Australia 2010: 1:23.919
Australia 2011: 1:23.529
Gap: 0.390

China 2010: 1:34.558
China 2011: 1:33.706
Gap: 0.852

Turkey 2010: 1:26.295
Turkey 2011: 1:25.049
Gap: 1.246s

Spain 2010: 1:19.995

If the gap gets bigger we could be seeing a 1:18.5!

[MikeFromCanada]

While I appreciate the trend you have found, in the end the time difference will undoubtedly depend on the number of and length of straights on the circuits. Turkey has a number of straight sections where the DRS can be deployed during a lap, as does China. Australia on the other hand, does not.

[beelsebob]

If we want to predict the pole position time, we should look at the he gaps between last years pole times and this year's. And it looks like the gaps have been getting bigger. (I removed Malaysia since the 2010 qualifying that year was wet.)

Australia 2010: 1:23.919
Australia 2011: 1:23.529
Gap: 0.390

China 2010: 1:34.558
China 2011: 1:33.706
Gap: 0.852

Turkey 2010: 1:26.295
Turkey 2011: 1:25.049
Gap: 1.246s

Spain 2010: 1:19.995

If the gap gets bigger we could be seeing a 1:18.5!

What happened to malaysia in the sequence? Did it fail to fit the trend you wanted to show?

[andrew]

How about just looking at the fastest times from this year and last years testing?

[MikeFromCanada]

How about just looking at the fastest times from this year and last years testing?

2010: Lewis Hamilton, McLaren, 1:20.472
2011: Michael Schumacher, Mercedes GP, 1:21.249

So 8 tenths slower between years, and about half a second difference between the 2010 pole lap and the 2010 fastest testing time.

[alelanza]

If we want to predict the pole position time, we should look at the he gaps between last years pole times and this year's. And it looks like the gaps have been getting bigger. (I removed Malaysia since the 2010 qualifying that year was wet.)

Australia 2010: 1:23.919
Australia 2011: 1:23.529
Gap: 0.390

China 2010: 1:34.558
China 2011: 1:33.706
Gap: 0.852

Turkey 2010: 1:26.295
Turkey 2011: 1:25.049
Gap: 1.246s

Spain 2010: 1:19.995

If the gap gets bigger we could be seeing a 1:18.5!

What happened to malaysia in the sequence? Did it fail to fit the trend you wanted to show?

Rain happened, RFS' analysis is very good, chill.