Canadian GP 2011 - Circuit Gilles Villeneuve

[andrew]

Hah hah, the tam always reminded me of dave chappel as a crack head.

But even though, i kinda never wanted Button to win for knocking out the other guys.

There is hope, even though Vettel is further ahead, that the guy can be stopped in Mclaren or Ferrari stay close up to the end.

Vettel is still the man, but boy i didn't expect him to over drive. He's usually inch perfect.

He lost turkey? to Button in the same way in 2009.

With the blown diffuser ban (typical F1 - something new and innovative so it must be banned) Red Bull will be in deep bull unless they can sort their KERS.

They all make mistakes, just some less than others. Look at last season. That was decided by the contender who made the least mistakes.

[freedom_honda]

For argument sake, I screen capped a few screenshots of the Alonso-Button accident.

[beelsebob]

Being F1 champion in the best car of the field by a tiny margin, and then leading the championship in an even better car is not that impressive. Especially when, as I said, he is AWESOME out front. And it says nothing about whether he can actually race amongst other cars.

Last time I checked quite a few F1 Champions (if not most of them) in the history of the sport won their championships driving the best car.

The point being that winning in the best car with either start to finish victories or complete --- ups tells us exactly one thing... he's great out in front; but sucks when racing other people.

[beelsebob]

For argument sake, I screen capped a few screenshots of the Alonso-Button accident.

For me – Button was ahead right up to the breaking zone. It was clearly Button's corner, and he deffinately shouldn't be penalised.

[JohnsonsEvilTwin]

I though McLaren were the only ones towards a wet set up JET? Got a source to confirm they were on a wet set up?

Darn excuses again.

I think it is safe to say that the W02 is great in the wet but dreadful in the dry.

Excuses like you made for Vettel, when Vettel himself said he made a mistake? Nah no need for "excuses"... as ever Andrew your trolling plumbs new depths yet again.

Yes I do have evidence actually, look at the Mercedes Rear wing compared to that of Red Bull, Ferrari and McLarens. A great big huge thing compareable to that of Mclaren and but not that of Ferrari or Red Bull. Im sure you can work out what that means...

[timd]

I am not a Vettel fan, and I have said myself quite a few times that I'd like to see him win from the back of the field or midfield, but to say that an F1 World Champion who is currently looking very good indeed to claim his 2nd WDC "can't race" sounds to me a bit like saying that after all these contacts at Monaco and Canada Hamilton "can't overtake"..

I actually like your point in that post...The only slight difference to me as in everybody else who believe "Vettel cant drive" is that,Hamilton has proved in his years that he can overtake,yet we havent seen Vettel put a stellar drive fighting apart from 1st from start to finish.

do you not remember vettel winning in the str

Wasn't that lights to flag ?

[zeph]

do you not remember vettel winning in the str

Wasn't that lights to flag ?

Yup.

[andrew]

Fastest laps here http://motorsport.nextgen-auto.com/Cana ... 24907.html

[raymondu999]

Actually though he started on pole in China 2009 there were a few passes he made along his way to the victory there. For example on Jenson Button (though my memory fails me as to which lap that was done).

I'm not saying he's an overtaking demon. He clearly isn't. It's not his strongest suit. His strongest suit is his restarts, his qualifying laps, leading a race, etc. But he CAN overtake. He isn't a super overtaker; but he can overtake. He's just not good at it. But he can.

[andrew]

So you're comparing different cars? Apples and oranges.

[beelsebob]

Fastest laps here http://motorsport.nextgen-auto.com/Cana ... 24907.html

Wow, VET and BUT 2 seconds faster than anyone else!

[vall]

For argument sake, I screen capped a few screenshots of the Alonso-Button accident.

For me – Button was ahead right up to the breaking zone. It was clearly Button's corner, and he deffinately shouldn't be penalised.

Then explain how come JB's front tire hit Alonso's rare

[Princey]

What happened to racing incidents.. this season they have tried to increase overtaking yet it seems any move is met with a stewards enquiry.. if a move has to be completely 100 % clean with no risk, then were gonna see either less moves or the drivers just shutting the door to get an enquiry. Also don't you think there were times when racing could have resumed.. I know it did get very wet.. but the safety car stayed out until inters.. completely negating a set of tyres that were made to race in the conditions the safety car was out for.

[beelsebob]

For argument sake, I screen capped a few screenshots of the Alonso-Button accident.

For me – Button was ahead right up to the breaking zone. It was clearly Button's corner, and he deffinately shouldn't be penalised.

Then explain how come JB's front tire hit Alonso's rare

Uhhh... because Alonso carried more speed into the corner?

[beelsebob]

What happened to racing incidents.. this season they have tried to increase overtaking yet it seems any move is met with a stewards enquiry.. if a move has to be completely 100 % clean with no risk, then were gonna see either less moves or the drivers just shutting the door to get an enquiry. Also don't you think there were times when racing could have resumed.. I know it did get very wet.. but the safety car stayed out until inters.. completely negating a set of tyres that were made to race in the conditions the safety car was out for.

Agreed – I don't want every single overtake gone wrong to end up investigated. It's crazy, and will lead to dull as crap racing.