Jenson Button has won his 10th GP of his careers after a magnificent drive. He passed the pitlane 6 time and went through the field, pushing Vettel until he made a mistake on the final lap. Vettel still ended in second place, ahead of his teammate Mark Webber.
This.DaveKillens wrote: If anyone requires a frame of reference relating to how passes are successfully accomplished in Formula One, the actions of Webber, Schumacher, and Button during the closing phases of the Canadian GP clearly show how it can be done.
As far as I'm aware, McL didn't have any new parts, and I'm not sure about Merc either – I don't think any gap has closed, instead, the circuit didn't suit the RBR, and the McL was set up for the wet.DaveKillens wrote:Wow, what a freaking great finish. And without a doubt, Button was the man of the race, with Michael a close second.
Judging by the finishing order, it appears McLaren, Mercedes and Ferrari have all closed the gap against Red Bull, either by new parts, or redirected strategy.
What... by either getting past on the straight or having the other guy make a big mistake? That's not an F1 I want to watch.DaveKillens wrote: If anyone requires a frame of reference relating to how passes are successfully accomplished in Formula One, the actions of Webber, Schumacher, and Button during the closing phases of the Canadian GP clearly show how it can be done.
The other side of the coin is that if Petrov was going any faster the fat marshal would have been pate.forty-two wrote:Wierdly, I think the blame for that lies at least in part with the new safety car rules which force all drivers to slow down, rather than keep going until they catch the pack, this increases the time taken for a snake to form up, but at the same time prevents someone belting it round while the SC is on track.
That wasn't overtaking on equal tyres. It's not the same. It was rather reckless with all the chicane cutting too.zeph wrote:This.DaveKillens wrote: If anyone requires a frame of reference relating to how passes are successfully accomplished in Formula One, the actions of Webber, Schumacher, and Button during the closing phases of the Canadian GP clearly show how it can be done.
Because marshals are brave people and want to ensure racing carries on as soon as possible. If Vettel was a marshal, he surely wouldn't have jumped on track until the race was stopped and the place of the accident had police tape put around.Alexgtt wrote:Agreed, but why the heck didn't the marshalls wait for the complete train of cars to file past before clearing the track. Crazy.
By the way, did anyone else hear him being booed during the podium? 
I think Dave is referring to contact and lack thereof in these passes.beelsebob wrote:What... by either getting past on the straight or having the other guy make a big mistake? That's not an F1 I want to watch.DaveKillens wrote: If anyone requires a frame of reference relating to how passes are successfully accomplished in Formula One, the actions of Webber, Schumacher, and Button during the closing phases of the Canadian GP clearly show how it can be done.
If petrov had been going faster he would have been on the back of the train of 5 cars that the marshal ran out after. And/or the marshal wouldn't have run out until the train had formed, because he would have known it would only take half a lap or so.horse wrote:The other side of the coin is that if Petrov was going any faster the fat marshal would have been pate.forty-two wrote:Wierdly, I think the blame for that lies at least in part with the new safety car rules which force all drivers to slow down, rather than keep going until they catch the pack, this increases the time taken for a snake to form up, but at the same time prevents someone belting it round while the SC is on track.
Right – but the lack of contact was because they were trivial passes. They involved one car being massively superior to the other. An F1 in which we have no close, tight battles because they're deemed "unsafe" is not an F1 I want to watch.andrew wrote:I think Dave is referring to contact and lack thereof in these passes.beelsebob wrote:What... by either getting past on the straight or having the other guy make a big mistake? That's not an F1 I want to watch.
So you want F1 to resemble some computer game, or dodgems? That isn't racing. It's a demolition derby.beelsebob wrote:Right – but the lack of contact was because they were trivial passes. They involved one car being massively superior to the other. An F1 in which we have no close, tight battles because they're deemed "unsafe" is not an F1 I want to watch.
I have to say Ringo, I am a massive fan of Hamilton, honestly probably level with my admiration of Button actually, but I read the Hamilon Button incident as a exactly that, a racing incident.ringo wrote:Dave always has a long post about blaming Hamilton in a subverted way.
He didn't colide with Button, he was collided into.
Had it been him doing that you would asking for a revocation of his license.
So can I – China wasn't it?andrew wrote:So you want F1 to resemble some computer game, or dodgems? That isn't racing. It's a demolition derby.beelsebob wrote:Right – but the lack of contact was because they were trivial passes. They involved one car being massively superior to the other. An F1 in which we have no close, tight battles because they're deemed "unsafe" is not an F1 I want to watch.
I can still remember when there was contact free overtaking in F1 and the racing was fantastic.
If you consider the battle between Schu, Webber and Button to be trivial, I think you might want to check out Monster Trucks.beelsebob wrote:Right – but the lack of contact was because they were trivial passes. They involved one car being massively superior to the other. An F1 in which we have no close, tight battles because they're deemed "unsafe" is not an F1 I want to watch.andrew wrote:I think Dave is referring to contact and lack thereof in these passes.beelsebob wrote:What... by either getting past on the straight or having the other guy make a big mistake? That's not an F1 I want to watch.
