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Jenson Button has won his 10th GP of his careers after a magnificent drive. He passed the pitlane 6 time and went through the field, pushing Vettel until he made a mistake on the final lap. Vettel still ended in second place, ahead of his teammate Mark Webber.
Maybe it is because I realised the other day that 1994, when Schumacher won his first title, was only 17 years ago and I realised the significance of the word "only" but the mid to late 90's are for me the best F1 racing I can remember seeing. No DRS, no KERS and no fragile tyres and best of all the drivers seemed to be less likely to run to the stewards or complain at the drop of a hat, though some still did.beelsebob wrote:Yes he can – what was the difference between then and now? Could it be that the other guys didn't turn in on him?
I got what you were referring to. I was trying to point out that the "ah, those were the days" comments are bollocks. In the mid to late 90s people crashed just as often when passing, they just didn't tend to be passing as much because MSC was 3 miles down the road. Quite frankly, I don't remember a time where F1 was more exciting to watch than the last year and a half. We have 3-5 fricking awesome drivers raring to go and some beautiful racing.
I honestly don't think that's true. I think if he'd have known he was there he would have given him room. I think he looked in his mirrors but could see nothing. JB is not one to squeeze his teammate, or anyone else for that matter into the wall intentionally, it could just as likely ended his race too so what would be the point?horse wrote:Button definitely made a move to stop Hamilton coming up the inside into turn one, but I do think he was genuinely surprised that Hamilton had not switched to the outside. I think he assumed Hamilton would go on the outside once he (Button) had started moving across, but he was wrong.n smikle wrote:Button changed lane without looking into his mirrors. You just don't do that, even on civilian streets.
Oh and he knew Hamilton was there... he was all over Button's gearbox the previous lap and up to the chicane, where Button made a mistake and didn't want the embarrasment of being overtaken by his TM twice! But I'll let it go for now, let Button have his time. I'm just glad that the Mclaren has decent race pace.
1) I don't see the double move, he pretty much straight lines from the corner across the grid.ringo wrote:He moved twice. Check the video. If he didn't see him then we can say it's weaving.
It can't be played down as an incident. Jenson reacted incorrectly even though he regretted it, it could have been a serious accident.
It was neither on the racing line as some put it. The racing line is about where the grid spaces are.
from this view you see the double swipe.
You can also see Jenson get back onto the racing line, which is along the grid slots, after the squeeze. Not much spray to hide a loud silver machine moving over on your right side, with your head clearly looking into the mirrors.
Take it for what it looks like, not how Jenson feels after the incident.
Agreed. He seems to make a slow and steady change of direction.zeph wrote:In this video Button seems to keep his line and not swerve at all.
No – it was toughened up after HAM weaved 3 times down the straight in Malaysia '10. HAM was subsequently penalised simply for following the non-marbled line in '11.vall wrote:did the "more than one change of direction" rule apply only in the braking zone?
I doubt it. It is pretty obvious where the fault lies.Shrieker wrote:McLaren vs. McLaren.
Switch the drivers, and everyone would be calling for Hamilton's head.
Hypocrisy at it's best.
You can't swear for anybody. He's just as ruthless as any of the other drivers.forty-two wrote:I honestly don't think that's true. I think if he'd have known he was there he would have given him room. I think he looked in his mirrors but could see nothing. JB is not one to squeeze his teammate, or anyone else for that matter into the wall intentionally, it could just as likely ended his race too so what would be the point?horse wrote:Button definitely made a move to stop Hamilton coming up the inside into turn one, but I do think he was genuinely surprised that Hamilton had not switched to the outside. I think he assumed Hamilton would go on the outside once he (Button) had started moving across, but he was wrong.n smikle wrote:Button changed lane without looking into his mirrors. You just don't do that, even on civilian streets.
Oh and he knew Hamilton was there... he was all over Button's gearbox the previous lap and up to the chicane, where Button made a mistake and didn't want the embarrasment of being overtaken by his TM twice! But I'll let it go for now, let Button have his time. I'm just glad that the Mclaren has decent race pace.
I don't think he does. Put your thumb over Hamilton and watch Button. He's just moving to the left in one continuous motion.ringo wrote:He moved twice. Check the video. If he didn't see him then we can say it's weaving.
Spot on. How many times in the last season and a bit that they have been team-mates have we seen them battle wheel-to-wheel showing sublime race craft (most notably at Turkey 2010 after the two Red Bulls got it wrong)forty-two wrote:I have to say Ringo, I am a massive fan of Hamilton, honestly probably level with my admiration of Button actually, but I read the Hamilon Button incident as a exactly that, a racing incident.ringo wrote:Dave always has a long post about blaming Hamilton in a subverted way.
He didn't colide with Button, he was collided into.
Had it been him doing that you would asking for a revocation of his license.
Hamilton should have known that JBs mirrors would be nothing but spray, and JB only followed the racing line.
I would bet my mortgage that JB would not close the door to Lewis like that intentionally. It's just not his style.
Yet you can?ringo wrote:You can't swear for anybody. He's just as ruthless as any of the other drivers.
ringo wrote:His intention was to frighten lewis and he over did it.
Button also escaped any sanctions for his clash with team-mate Lewis Hamilton.
The stewards said:
1) Exiting Turn 13 there was a legitimate overtaking opportunity for LH as his speed was greater than Jenson Button's
2) At the moment after Hamilton moved to the left to pass, Button looked into his mirror. It appears from the position of Hamilton at that moment [and is confirmed by the drivers] that Button was unlikely to have seen Hamilton
3) At the point of contact Button had not yet moved as far to the left of the track as he had on the previous lap, or that Schumacher had on that lap.
"The Stewards have concluded that it was reasonable for Hamilton to believe that Button would have seen him and that he could have made the passing manoeuvre. Further, the Stewards have concluded that it is reasonable to believe that Button was not aware of Hamilton's position to his left.
"Therefore, the Stewards decide that this was a 'racing incident' and have taken no further action."