Canadian GP 2011 - Circuit Gilles Villeneuve

[beelsebob]

Spot on. How many times in the last season and a bit that they have been team-mates have we seen them battle wheel-to-wheel showing sublime race craft (most notably at Turkey 2010 after the two Red Bulls got it wrong)

On this occasion they collided. Jenson has a history of NOT driving into Lewis. Likewise vise versa. Could it be, MAYBE, they had - shock horror - an ACCIDENT?

Atm there is this witch-hunt for Hamilton. I genuinely think that had the two cars been switched people would be baying for Lewis' blood. And people seem to think that everytime two cars collide there must be somebody to blame, stewards must reprimand the "guilty party" and justice is then served. This isn't street driving. This is motor racing for christsake.

I genuinely think Jenson had no idea Lewis was there (apparent by his "What is he doing?!" exclaimation down the radio...Jenson clearly thought at the time Lewis shouldn't have been there.)

Did the driver of that GTEpro Ferrari get punished for his role in Alan McNish's horror crash at Le Mans this weekend? No? Or did McNish get punished for driving into him? No again eh? Hmmm, I wonder why?

+1.

China '11 and Turkey '11 both back this up. The two of them always give each other enough room when they know what's going on. I think JB just didn't know LH was there.

[Matt_c]

1st post on here, been following it for a while though... So hello! Have to agree with the earlier posts, Button followed the racing line...... LH went for a gap that was always going to disappear, he should have held his line and gone to the right. However, its too easy to sit here and comment after the event......

[ringo]

He moved twice. Check the video. If he didn't see him then we can say it's weaving.

I don't think he does. Put your thumb over Hamilton and watch Button. He's just moving to the left in one continuous motion.

Just like Shumacher into barichello then?

2 clear moves were made. There is no racing line where he went.

Look on all the cars passing the front straight, no one takes that line.
Especially in the wet.

[horse]

There is no racing line where he went.

The stewards disagree with you Ringo:

3) At the point of contact Button had not yet moved as far to the left of the track as he had on the previous lap, or that Schumacher had on that lap.

[zeph]

Nah, Ringo. That video only goes to show that Button kept his line and did not swerve to block Hamilton.

[ringo]

He moved twice. Check the video. If he didn't see him then we can say it's weaving.

I don't think he does. Put your thumb over Hamilton and watch Button. He's just moving to the left in one continuous motion.

The racing line is the black stripe in the middle of the track.

Yes?

Look on Jenson following it orginally, then suddenly jumps off then gets back on.

A kink is not one move, a move is a smooth curve or line. He got startled and juked over.

Be objective and watch the black stripe in the track,which is the racing line. watch the video again carefully.

[beelsebob]

He moved twice. Check the video. If he didn't see him then we can say it's weaving.

I don't think he does. Put your thumb over Hamilton and watch Button. He's just moving to the left in one continuous motion.

The racing line is the black stripe in the middle of the track.

Yes?

No, the racing line is the bit people drive across all the time – hence, the grey, drying bit. The bit that goes to the left of the grid markings.

[ringo]

No, the racing line is the bit people drive across all the time – hence, the grey, drying bit. The bit that goes to the left of the grid markings.

In this video, from this angle, the darker grey is the dull dry part. watch it and you will see it.
It is dry there. Agree?

[PlatinumZealot]

Button knew the squeeze was on even before they exit the chicane.

[Shrieker]

That was an EPIC race that won't be forgotten for a long long time to come.

The last ten laps, Button drove the race of his life, grats to the chap, very well deserved.

But. A HUGE BUT.


Put Hamilton in his seat. He takes out two possible championship contenders (one of them being a team mate) and wins in the end.


No question the hypocrites would be calling for his head.

[beelsebob]

Button didn't always take the line all the way to the left of the grid boxes, but you can see it clearly is a regularly used line – it's bone dry. I see no reason why JB wouldn't have thought he could use it then.

[horse]

The racing line is the black stripe in the middle of the track.

Yes?

Not for the Mercedes.

[vall]

did the "more than one change of direction" rule apply only in the braking zone?

No – it was toughened up after HAM weaved 3 times down the straight in Malaysia '10. HAM was subsequently penalised simply for following the non-marbled line in '11.

there is a big difference to what Ham did and a slight, slow change of direction.

[SiLo]

After watching the move a couple of times, you can see Button clearly look in his mirror just as Lewis is tucked right in behind him, so at the time he wouldn't of seen him. Then he moves across to take the racing line, probably believing that Hamilton would go around the outside, but as he makes his move, Hamilton also makes his, and the two come together with Lewis being unlucky that scraping the wall actually ripped the wheel off.

Racing incident.

Why the Stewards want to penalise every single overtake and and collision is beyond me now, it's starting to get annoying. Let the guys race, and only penalise people when it is clear they have gained an advantage by PURPOSEFULLY (or accidentally, but taking into account how brash the move was) causing a collision. SORTED.

[ringo]

Button didn't always take the line all the way to the left of the grid boxes, but you can see it clearly is a regularly used line – it's bone dry. I see no reason why JB wouldn't have thought he could use it then.

Ah so you see now. Why would he go into the wet? Maybe becuase hamilton is there?
If he didn't see him he would have no reason to take a slower line.

There is the line, that nice curve that runs through the grid slots clearly enough room for 3 cars there.
The narrowest part is where button is now and 2 and a half cars can go there.

Now take a load of this:







The yellow is the racing line. In the last shot it is the blue.
Jenson takes an abrupt change to his line and goes back on it after he slams lewis.

Let's be objective here.
Look on the pic you posted, that is the start finish, now look where the incident took place. The racing line is miles away from the wall where the incident happen.