Canadian GP 2011 - Circuit Gilles Villeneuve

[marcush.]

what a thriller of a race...and a real clean race by the old man ,bringing home the W02 in the best possible position .DRS made it impossible for him to keep p3 but still a really measured drive.

Button was awesome but could someone please explain the difference between the Schumacher-Barrichello incident last year and the Button/Hamilton clash apart from Michael and Rubens NOT making contact? Back then it was a whole world crying out over Schumacher closing the gap towards the pitwall and now Button is victim for doing exactly the same.Not understandable to me.

[Ray]

what a thriller of a race...and a real clean race by the old man ,bringing home the W02 in the best possible position .DRS made it impossible for him to keep p3 but still a really measured drive.

Button was awesome but could someone please explain the difference between the Schumacher-Barrichello incident last year and the Button/Hamilton clash apart from Michael and Rubens NOT making contact? Back then it was a whole world crying out over Schumacher closing the gap towards the pitwall and now Button is victim for doing exactly the same.Not understandable to me.

Well for starters P3 wasn't lost to Schumacher because of DRS. He clearly didn't have the pace over the others in the closing laps, otherwise he wouldn't have been gapped so much after he was passed. Rubens and Michael last year was different because Michael continued to drive Rubens over towards the grass long after he had gotten a run on him, and he has a reputation for ramming into people to stop them from beating him. Jenson didn't drive Lewis into a wall and then continue to drive him in the direction of being off the race course in bone dry and sunny conditions, and Jenson doesn't have a history of ramming rivals that he doesn't want beating him. The McLaren teammates have had a history of racing very hard and very clean and neither have had a single incident racing one another until this race and the conditions were pretty bad.

[Ciro Pabón]

Hi all,
I was at the GP today and i must say i really liked the week-end but:
i dunno what's wrong this year, i mean does F1 not want to do racing in the rain anymore?
I have been to every Montreal GP in the last 20 years and it's the first time the race is red flagged. The problem i have is with the amount of rain there was: it was next to nothing, previously they would have raced through it all without breaking a sweat, now they see a rain drop and it's alarm time...

Dandy, I believe you're right. Rain is a larger problem. I think this happens because the frontal wing is lower every year.

I believe the front wing height is like 6 cm over the tarmac.

There were more than 6 cm of rain in the feeble collectors the circuit displays. Take in account you're like 2 meters over the water of the river, so the slope for drainage is miserable, the gutters are not very deep (you cannot go down much), so they fill in minutes under heavy rain. Current front wings are not designed to go through water.

Thus...

You could call this creeping effect you mention, of rain on wings through the years, "the flexi-rain". The more the wing flexes, the less desirable is to "submerge it".

I used to have a Nissan so low that it came from the manufacturer with a shield for the carter. My friends used to make jokes on me, saying that car could pass over a brick. They were right.

If you had the margin of a front wing you not only would collect bricks, you would also collect a laptop (if someone left his on the track). Heck, I don't think I can pass my arm under one of these wings.

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Button was awesome but could someone please explain the difference between the Schumacher-Barrichello incident last year and the Button/Hamilton clash apart from Michael and Rubens NOT making contact? Back then it was a whole world crying out over Schumacher closing the gap towards the pitwall and now Button is victim for doing exactly the same.Not understandable to me.

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[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BCakp0zK2rM[/youtube]

If you cant point out the difference between those two then.. I don't know...

[ringo]

One car was squeezed into the wall?

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One car was squeezed into the wall?

If you wanna see it from that point of view, then yes. But if you wanna take other things into account, like, clear visibility(he knows just where Barichello is), maxed out 7th gear(really high speed racing at that point) and the fact that he intentionally pushes him wide just when they're alongside each other.

And stop bitching about Lewis every goddamn moment, he even said it himself "I would never put myself in the same sentence as Schumacher" talking about Schumachers dangerous driving so just get over it already.

[ringo]

You are the one who brought it up. I responed. In any case, shumi is not being squeezed in the video, so i don't know how you can even relate the 2.

I am over it a long time ago. I posted the stewards report and called it a day.

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Actually it was marcush. who said Schumachers move was the same as Buttons while obviously that's not the case here. So I was just trying to show him that. What Schumacher did was intentional and really, really dangerous.

[HampusA]

Wow, i can´t believe someone actually would take Hamilton´s side in this incident with Button even when Hamilton himself doesn´t.

I´m a Hamilton fan but what he did today was purely 100% his own fault in all situations.
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Looks like Vettel folded under pressure JK!
Strong drive by Button, i never watched "episode 2" of this, i got tired of waiting on the got damn rain to stop so i gave up, will watch it soon though"
What happened with him and Alonso? Same like Hamilton/Webber or worse?

[ds.raikkonen]

I believe Vettel missed the braking point for that turn as he was looking in the wing mirrors very often. But strangely, his team did nt pass sufficient information about Button's pace (according to Steve Slater) and was caught off guard when Buton suddenly caught him up! I can't believe that somehow.
Regarding the two Button incidents under investigation, I feel he had the racing line and could nt have moved quickly to avoid either Hamilton or Alonso to avoid a collision or else he would ve spun his car. The stewards really should nt impose the penalty on JB. Also, Gary Anderson said that Hamilton's maneuvers work only when the other guy backs off, like MSC in Monaco, but if they don't, he ends up causing trouble, even to his own team mate!

[i70q7m7ghw]

It was fun to see the milkybar kid finally crumble, his face in the press conference was like a child that had his toys taken away.

I think todays race was a clear message to McLaren though, they really need to qualify front row, and stay out of the mid-field mess. If they hadn't had such an impressive race car + a changable conditions super star they probably would have been resigned to points positions.

[i70q7m7ghw]

Well jenson was using his mirrors.

That cannot be denied. You can't be fixated on a mirror if nothing is in it.

I'll let it slide like Turkey 2010, when he lied about the team radio.

The positives are that Hamilton will realize that DRS makes it simpler, and knowing that Ali G's law is constant, just pass in the DRS and wait for the race to settle from now on.
Don't do anything else.

It was very clear Button stopped looking in his mirrors when Lewis pulled out to make the move. Lewis made a mistake and even he has admitted it, why can't you?

"Whilst I fell back behind Jenson he made a mistake into the last corner, so I got the run on him. I was on the outside I guess, I haven’t seen the footage but it felt like I was half way up the outside of him and he kept moving across, whether or not he saw me and I was in the wall."

In that footage did it look like Lewis was halfway up the outside? No. In such an incident it's the driver from behind who is responsible for contact - unless there is unfair weaving in braking zones. It is very clear Jenson make's a single move from right to left. Jenson was already moving across long before Lewis made the move, Lewis should have recognised a closing wedge. If we were talking about a side by side incident then that's a different story. Lewis put his front wheel in to a gap that was never there.

Your free to write to the stewards if you don't like the decision.

[HampusA]

Button was 100% on the racing line. What some people forget is that it´s drizzling down and the corner turns right. So you position yourself almost as far to the left as possible to do the least amount of steering and get as straight of a braking zone as possible.

Hamilton has a two pairs of brakes which he should have used.

[jamsbong]

what can I say, the 2011 season just keep getting better and better! I remember the 2010 season was really exciting with 4 potential winners to the WDC at the final race in Abu Dhabi and Vettel won it that occasion. It could easily have been the other 4. Anyway, it was really exciting and I thought the 2010 pts system was a big factor to the entertainment.

Now in 2011, the DRS system and new tyre properties meant more excitement than ever before. On top of that, add some rain to the race to further spice things up! This race has been the most full on I've seen.

Button really deserved the driver of the day! He won it "Like A Boss", or like a true hero. The conservative Vettel was not gonna win the driver of the day even if he won the race. He had all the gifted pitstops and he manage to not win...

I thought there were many other drivers which deserved "driver of the day" as well. They are Kobayashi, Massa, Schumacher, Webber and Petrov. These guys fought hard and survived the race.

On other note, is it just me or Hamilton's form is gone off? He should have been in the mix of all of it. He is a great rain meister too. Seems to me he is racing like it is in an Arcade game.

[zeph]

It was a s--- race for Ferrari, too. Maybe it's just me, but it seems that they can't get their strategy and stops right. They need some brains up in there.