Technical Regulations for 2009-2015

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Teams are spending imho too much money in heat-resisting materials
Let em spend however much they want on whatever they want...That's F1...Build cars out of unobtainium..using the most space age solutions and spending money like water...Come on guys,,, they should quit trying to impose their arbitrary personal morals on F1.
The one thing that set F1 apart was their high level of technical innovation. Contrary to what so many think, they were not always the fastest race cars, but they were the most highly technically evolved race cars on earth...and that usually costs money. And thus it has always been and should always be. AS humans we want..no,,we need certain things that are so far beyond the ordinary or mundane as to make us sit back in wonder and marvel.
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Well this sounds a reasonable proposal.

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strad wrote:
Teams are spending imho too much money in heat-resisting materials
Let em spend however much they want on whatever they want...That's F1...Build cars out of unobtainium..using the most space age solutions and spending money like water...Come on guys,,, they should quit trying to impose their arbitrary personal morals on F1.
The one thing that set F1 apart was their high level of technical innovation. Contrary to what so many think, they were not always the fastest race cars, but they were the most highly technically evolved race cars on earth...and that usually costs money. And thus it has always been and should always be. AS humans we want..no,,we need certain things that are so far beyond the ordinary or mundane as to make us sit back in wonder and marvel.
I think LMP1 cars are more technically advanced than F1 cars are today. Anyway, does anyone have any insight into next years regulations? I'm curious if the only thing they're going to do is ban EBDs. Surely it was part of the plan to increase KERS output gradually, I really hope they increase the boost time, or that you can choose between a more powerful but shorter burst, or a less powerful but longer lasting one.
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This thread is probably the place for a piece from Gordon Kirby's recent article in which he quotes Dan Gurney:
For years any kind of major innovation has been expresssly prohibited from racing's rule books from CanAm through USAC, CART, IMSA, IRL, even F1. Today, in all categories, the general layout of the chassis, aerodynamics and engine are very strictly defined. There's no room to introduce a 1963 Lotus-Ford Indy car, for example, or a Gurney/Weslake V12, or an '81 Eagle-Chevy Indy car, least of all a turbine-powered car or a Chaparral in all its high-winged glory.

"As a fan," Dan observed, "I think the idea that you couldn't predict how the next race was going to shape up and what new technological innovations were going to crop up was fantastic. The idea was that the rules were essentially open. You could probably put the rules on one page and I think that was a huge draw to drivers, engineers--all the people involved--plus the fans. It's a shame to be railing against bureaucrats all the time but the idea that there was open creativity with the cars was very important."
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"What do people want to see?" Dan added. "Do they want to see who can do it best? Do they want to see something else? Maybe racing overall is getting obsolete. That thought does come to mind, doesn't it? Today and for many years, it's been about making the cars slower and cheaper rather than faster and more interesting."
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Gurney is so right there, too bad he inst the FIA president :P

Anyway, what bothers me most with the coming ban, every team is against this ban, why dont they all just go on and run the maps? I mean, they can hardly exclude the whole field.
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wesley123 wrote:Gurney is so right there, too bad he inst the FIA president :P

Anyway, what bothers me most with the coming ban, every team is against this ban, why dont they all just go on and run the maps? I mean, they can hardly exclude the whole field.
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I believe the v6 engine rule for 2014 is just a a political way of telling everyone that nothing is going to happen.
The contracts are up in 2013 anyway.
The people have spoken and stated they want an open rule allowing V10s / turbos / active suspension like the good ole days.
F1 has lost itself but the public is getting real sharp now and the FIA is dirty dishwater getting ready to be thrown out.
The FOM will define the "build box" and the FIA will be there to insure it is followed and safety standards are met.
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how far along are teams with next years cars?
just read an article that next year exhaust pipes will have to be positioned up on the bodywork... how will this affect the design of the vehicles so far??
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Nowhereman wrote:I believe the v6 engine rule for 2014 is just a a political way of telling everyone that nothing is going to happen.
The contracts are up in 2013 anyway.
The people have spoken and stated they want an open rule allowing V10s / turbos / active suspension like the good ole days.
F1 has lost itself but the public is getting real sharp now and the FIA is dirty dishwater getting ready to be thrown out.
The FOM will define the "build box" and the FIA will be there to insure it is followed and safety standards are met.
Green should be only for Lotus to race around in.
Pinnacles in automotive technology define F1, not politics.
Nomen est omen, I would call it. This is so silly it becomes entertaining again. Good parody.
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Nowhereman wrote:I believe the v6 engine rule for 2014 is just a a political way of telling everyone that nothing is going to happen.
Never thought of it that way, you could be quite right here. This world engine thing was imo a good idea on paper, yet in real life it cannot work. I mean, same engines for every sport? Rally and touring cars require a way different engine compared to F1, and what do you think about the ILMS? The idea was for manufacturers to easily enter f1 or another sport, for example Honda could say 'F1 is too expensive, come we take our engine plant it in a Civic and go do WRC with it', this, on paper, would cause a more healthy and stable atmosphere. What bothers me even more about it is FIA did similair earlier with the Group C, requiring same engines as F1 to guide manufacturers to lure these manufacturers into F1. Apart from Mercedes and Peugeot nobody from Group C entered and the Peugeot engines where a complete failure.
The people have spoken and stated they want an open rule allowing V10s / turbos / active suspension like the good ole days.
Wanting and being able to have are way different things, unless the f1 drivers are going to run pressure suits we cannot even have the technolgy as this will really push the limits of g-forces, this will cause deaths as drivers will lose consciousness while driving at high speed.
F1 has lost itself but the public is getting real sharp now and the FIA is dirty dishwater getting ready to be thrown out.
With Todt that sure is going to happen. He barely finished Mosley's projects and now is actually doing nothing, what has he achieved right now? With mosley that world engine woulc have come, if they wanted it or not, Mosley would just shove it up their throats. Todt misses this and it is already ruining the FIA's power.
Green should be only for Lotus to race around in.
Pinnacles in automotive technology define F1, not politics.
These 'pinnacles' are now just based on green technology, if you want it or not. Formula1 has nothing to do with road cars at all and that they are trying to achieve relevance is just stupid. LMP's are and always have been way more relevant to road cars then formula 1 cars and it has to stay that way
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New to this forum. If two cars record the same time and they now go to the "photo finish", do they now actually use the leading edge of the nose to determine who is in front? If so, does that mean that a longer nose is an advantage? What I would like to know is what determines the tie breaker if two cars record identical times?

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I'm surprised a bigger song and dance hasn't been made of the publishing of the 2014 F1 rules yesterday.....??? (its been raised in passing on other threads, but no big response so far)....

http://www.fia.com/EN-GB/SPORT/REGULATI ... nship.aspx

Some points to note (although I'm just skimming through them):-

Width of front wing reduced.
complexity of under-nose body is now constrained....
Gear ratios must be 8 and they must be nominated at the beginning of the season!
Engine mounting points are now specified (I guess to allow easy transfer of one engine to another),
All the new engine rules.....
KERS power increased to 120kW
KERS usage in one lap now 4MJ (although storage limited to 2MJ per lap)
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seriously, how contradicting can you be compared to what fans want? Bunch of morons there are at the FIA. Was looking forward to the V6 turbo, now not anymore since you have only one way to package it, it is ruined already.
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Indeed.... the rules regarding engine are very restrictive.....
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So we wont see laser ignition, throttle less engines or VGT/VNT turbochargers.

Why does the FIA have so much against innovation???

At least theres no boost limit as far as i can see??

EDIT: and where did the 18" rims go??