Singapore GP 2011 - Marina Bay Street Circuit

[timbo]

Lack of progress as racer. Lol. Hard to progress if you're on top.

I bet that's what he thinks too. We see how that works out for him.

[JohnsonsEvilTwin]

Senna was demonstrably better than any of his counterparts, and he did so using inferior equipment in his toleman and Lotus days. Thats not to say he wasnt involved in silly crashes, because he was. As was every other champion...

Hamilton is demonstrating he is fully capable of taking a shrinking gap with no care in the world for his front wing. Hell Kobayashi was more than a bit perplexed as to what hamiltons racecraft was like in Spa.

Perhaps your defintion of a racer is bloke that goes hell for leather without a care in the world for cars around him. They are mere obstacles to test out your cars flexibility on impact.....
If thats the case, then Hamilton is indeed making a strong case for being the best racer of his generation.

I will prefer to use my defintion of the word this time though ringo.

[ringo]

Lack of progress as racer. Lol. Hard to progress if you're on top.

I bet that's what he thinks too. We see how that works out for him.

Still got the skills.

Just give the man a winning car.



@JET, a racer is a driver that forces the issue. He doesn't go with the predicted flow or outcome. Racers make something out of nothing.
They do this by overtaking the unassailable, or by fending of the inevitable.
A racer is an Ace in the hole.

Senna was very good, but to say he wasn't a crasher who went for shrinking gaps is inaccurate. Hamilton is an equally good racer as Senna by the strict sense i give above, but only in a different form. And this is objectivity without the rose tints. Senna was a speed demon, with no mercy. I don't recall much fanciful raciness from him. His strength was speed and resolve, not dismantling other drivers and braking down their defenses for a shameful overtake.
Barnstorming is a different ball game. Mansell and Hamilton stuff. All force the issue in different ways.

A few drivers on the grid have that twinkle in the eye.

Alonso, Sutil, DiResta, Webber (bad as he is ), Kubica, Kobayashi, Shumacher, Rosberg. These guys are racers; they have the fire in the belly. Now you can rate them in any order you like. and Honestly say which one works the magic better. That's my definition and why i say Hamilton is likely at the top, mistakes and all. I didn't say he can't improve. I just say there is worst out there and he doesn't really have much to improve on outside of patience.

[Shrieker]

It was very far from physical assault.

You've never been in a fight -especially while drunk-, it shows. The thing is, post F1 race physical state (it being so physical) and being drunk are somewhat similar. I'm both surprised and disappointed that Lewis didn't rip Massa in two. Especially after all the things Massa have done to him in the past. I think it proves that Hamilton isn't a brainless lunatic like some people are so eager to make him out to be.

[JohnsonsEvilTwin]

It was very far from physical assault.

You've never been in a fight -especially while drunk-, it shows. The thing is, post F1 race physical state (it being so physical) and being drunk are somewhat similar. I'm both surprised and disappointed that Lewis didn't rip Massa in two. Especially after all the things Massa have done to him in the past. I think it proves that Hamilton isn't a brainless lunatic like some people are so eager to express.

I actually think Hamilton is very good, and I posted that an hour ago. Some people indeed.
As for what you think I do in my personal time, thats my business and not for discussion on this thread, suffice to say that your predictions are well wide of the mark.


@ringo

A good point, but Hamilton is too error prone at present. I dont think anyone can dispute that not even Hamilton himself(some ardent fans will disagree but thats fanboyism for you).

As a Merc fan Im always willing Hamilton on, but there are glaring flaws and only he can change that. Someone mentioned his father not being present as a steadying influence, I can see that point too.
There is only so much you can do in a given situation in an F1 car, once you exceed those limitations you are in a world of hurt. And since Hamilton is having a rough time of things I would say fair play for trying, but tone it down, wait a few more corners/laps and then strike cleanly.
He's certainly doing his bit publicly, but once the crash helmets on, he still seems to be to over eager.

These are rookie mistakes being made, and we would be lambasting other drivers for the same thing. Hamilton as good as he is, is not above criticism.

[SiLo]

I have to agree that Hamilton is making too many mistakes these days, probably not helped by getting bunched up in the first corner and losing out, which seems to happen a lot to him now. Obviously his own fault for not knowing where his front wing was though.

I'm still of the opinion that they should pull the front wings in a bit just to help with this sort of thing, rarely used to happen with the smaller wings.

[jamsbong]

Dramas that involve Hamilton again. Did you guys saw Massa's interview? Massa was very angry!

Hard to believe that Button ends up being the leading driver for Mclaren. If you told me that Button would be leading against Hamilton in early 2010, I would never believe it. Now, I realise Button has been very underrated and I think Button has become a brilliant driver. He has become a confident, thinking man and one that does his homework (i.e. preparation). It is paying off. He is able to better extract performance of out the Mclaren package and overcome his lack of natural speed. Splitting the Red Bulls is not easy at all so well done BUTTON!

[CHT]

Dramas that involve Hamilton again. Did you guys saw Massa's interview? Massa was very angry!

Hard to believe that Button ends up being the leading driver for Mclaren. If you told me that Button would be leading against Hamilton in early 2010, I would never believe it. Now, I realise Button has been very underrated and I think Button has become a brilliant driver. He has become a confident, thinking man and one that does his homework (i.e. preparation). It is paying off. He is able to better extract performance of out the Mclaren package and overcome his lack of natural speed. Splitting the Red Bulls is not easy at all so well done BUTTON!

Here is the video of the brief encounter between Massa and Lewis.

http://youtu.be/SKjaBdCaJ5k

[Poleman]

Here is the video of the brief encounter between Massa and Lewis.

http://youtu.be/SKjaBdCaJ5k

If you watch the clip and listen a little closely,you can clearly listen Lewis say: Dont touch me again!

Proves the point that Massa went a little too far with that...Hamilton kept his cool...It would be an interesting off-track battle had things evolved otherwise.

[Traction]

Can you list the Hamilton mistakes? Most of them were in this year. He's not a mistake prone driver.
Risk prone yes.

Look on the utter crap we are getting with the other midfielders. Flying over kerbs, crashing into barriers, those are mistakes, but all becuase the spotlight is one the most electrifying driver in sports entertainment we don't see them.

Hate him of love him. Hamilton is a damn good driver. Massa isn't.

Massa has been neutered by Alonso.

He has no right taking that out on anybody. If i were in Hamilton's shoes, i'd ask massa what the five fingers said to the face, then b*tch slap the fool.

Hamiltons kryptonite is himself.........

Yes hamiltons cocks up some times. So what?
And I agree he wasted a lot of points this year and so have the team. It's racing man, Vettel is still going to win this year. The big picture is Vettel's cryptonite is Hamilton. And the cryptonite hasn't got much opportunities to come out of the bag this year.

He still can win barnstorming races. Just admit he made your day today. You got some nice outside overtakes and Vall is now lamenting DRS cause the BOSS capitalized on the sytem today. Made it look too easy while shumi tripped over his laces.

[jamsbong]

Here is the video of the brief encounter between Massa and Lewis.

http://youtu.be/SKjaBdCaJ5k

If you watch the clip and listen a little closely,you can clearly listen Lewis say: Dont touch me again!

Proves the point that Massa went a little too far with that...Hamilton kept his cool...It would be an interesting off-track battle had things evolved otherwise.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/formula ... 052980.stm
confirms that Hamilton said "Don't touch me, man. Don't touch me"

Come on! bring it on... FIGHT FIGHT FIGHT!

[jamsbong]

Hamilton must seriously refocus himself. All these unwanted dramas (I think) is a negative distraction to him. I believe he can win championships but not with all these rubbish.

[JMN]

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9p9rBiUhOEg[/youtube] Slight clubbing of the rear wheel resulting in a puncture. No action from the stewards. Admittedly this is from the inside and Hamilton is never quite far enough ahead.

Did Massa hit the apex going through the corner? It's remarkable to hear how late he gets back on the power...

[Traction]

Hamilton messed up again, it not hard to accept and further to that Massa apparantly tried to talk to him before the on camera incident and he refused to talk to Massa, if he had any coolness about him he would have done the right thing at the start and said.."You know what, I screwed up, sorry' case closed. Instead he just attracted more attention to himself by acting like prima donna....on the other hand Massa should have just left things as they were arace incident and the person who caused the incident recieved a penalty...case closed...but Massa acts like a wannabee and tries to flex muscle like a Jersey Shore douche....

[CHT]

Now Hamilton senior is suggesting Lewis should find a new manager.

http://www.channelnewsasia.com/stories/ ... 73/1/.html