Japanese GP 2011 - Suzuka

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It's theoretically possible for RBR to clinch the title here. Will they?

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To point out the performance in qualifying.LH lost pole for just 0.151s which in reality was the banker set with scrubbed softs.I am guessing he would be at least 0.1s ahead of SV and JB had he set the flying lap.

Oh well,moving on to tomorrow's race! :)

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I actually think that this race will be won or lost in the pits. Tyre strategy will be the key to it all. If the qualifying speeds are reproduced in the race then no one will be building up a gap safe enough to pit without losing a position.
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I really wish for a McLaren 1-2 but in all honesty and frustration i see Vettel running off the distance once more...I hope he doesnt for the sake of entertainment.

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Poleman wrote:I really wish for a McLaren 1-2 but in all honesty and frustration i see Vettel running off the distance once more...I hope he doesnt for the sake of entertainment.
I'm obviously rooting for a SB win but it would be awesome to see the Mclarens been competitive and the top four mixing it up.....
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Generally I don't care about what people say. I have to be clear with myself. When everything goes well, people celebrate you, when you make mistakes people criticize you.
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Traction wrote:
Poleman wrote:I really wish for a McLaren 1-2 but in all honesty and frustration i see Vettel running off the distance once more...I hope he doesnt for the sake of entertainment.
I'm obviously rooting for a SB win but it would be awesome to see the Mclarens been competitive and the top four mixing it up.....
Although qualifying was close, Vettel always seems able to pull out a couple of great opening laps (ancients like me will remember Jim Clark doing the same) to escape the DRS zone. Frankly, I hope Vettel DNFs early (with no injury) or has some sort of problem so we can see something rare -- an actual race for the win.
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Petrov's q2 time is better than Senna's, but he starts behind him. Car numbers come into factor ?
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Traction wrote:
ringo wrote:He wasn't blaming shumacher. He was just saying Michael was dangerous.

Which is true.

Mike re ntered the track dangerously; watching the video. Hamilton lifted when MS re entered.

If he was blasting around the corner chasing webber, they may have been a coming together with Mike, or a really close call.

None would set a good time anyway, but it was just something to note.

Button slowed them so he alone could get a lap.
I can't really say as I have not seen the footage of the incident other than the little clip below in another post but it seems to me he was trying to imply that MS and MW were the cause for him not getting in a hot lap but from what I can gather he was just plain to slow....
He was trying to maintain the gap to Button (who was slow and hung around the chicane like a bad smell)

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From the photo above you can see that Button was only a couple of seconds ahead, at the start of the lap this was more like 10s.

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A McLaren Sandwich!

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MS rejoining the track having jumped the chicane.

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donskar wrote:I hope Vettel DNFs early (with no injury) or has some sort of problem so we can see something rare -- an actual race for the win.
Can happen if someone putting the pressure at him at Degners. :mrgreen: Of course the Degners are waiting for anybody else not just SV. :roll: A clear race in equal speeds without retirements would be fine,but a DNF...Oh well would spice things up for sure however,if a McLaren driver is going to win,i am sure they want to do it with Vettel in the race. 8)

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Poleman wrote:To point out the performance in qualifying.LH lost pole for just 0.151s which in reality was the banker set with scrubbed softs.I am guessing he would be at least 0.1s ahead of SV and JB had he set the flying lap.

Oh well,moving on to tomorrow's race! :)
That was one a fresh BRAND new set of softs & not scrubbed. Lewis 2nd set of option. [...]

If Lewis would have got in another lap with his 3rd & final set of fresh softs then he might have been able to get P1 or maybe would have stayed in P3. It's a guessing game now & pretty much useless.

What is obvious is Mclaren is almost on par with Vettel on sheer pace & it is possible for either of the Top 3 to win the race. It is very open. I actually see Mclaren's superior race pace.
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Traction wrote:I actually think that this race will be won or lost in the pits. Tyre strategy will be the key to it all. If the qualifying speeds are reproduced in the race then no one will be building up a gap safe enough to pit without losing a position.
I rather think the start will be the big issue. If Vettel starts as fast as the Mclarens he may get a two second gap which will stop Button and Hamilton to use their DRS. Without DRS I think that the Red Bull is still superior. This is what made the Maccas fast during FP and Quali.

But it is a long race and the nature of the track will probably lead to a safety car. Someone always makes a mistake, particularly rookies.

Tyres will be an issue for sure because the options will be going off after just six laps. So there will be very early stops that can throw the leaders back behind cars that run on primes. All the way down from MSC in P7 they will be running on primes I think.
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Mr.S wrote:That was one a fresh BRAND new set of softs & not scrubbed. Lewis 2nd set of option. No need to exaggerate Lewis fanboys.
First of all, where in my post did you read something fanboy-ish?Second its not my fault that i was watching the BBC coverage and it was reported by Ted Kravitz that everyone was leaving th pits for their first lap in Q3 on used softs apparently from Q2.Show us proof that it was a fresh set instead of calling people names.Have a nice day sir.
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The nature of the track is a bit like Nurburgring, and Hamilton was the fastest guy there, he will be the fastest guy here too. The only way he won't beat Button or Vettel is if he, or his pit crew screws up.
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godlameroso wrote:The nature of the track is a bit like Nurburgring, and Hamilton was the fastest guy there, he will be the fastest guy here too. The only way he won't beat Button or Vettel is if he, or his pit crew screws up.
you know what? Let's wait and see who's going to be the fastest. If the reports that McL hava new much more effective DRS are true, I do not expect them to be that fast in the race, simply because 99.9% of the time you cannot use it.