Indian GP 2011 - Buddh

[raymondu999]

I think the thing with this one myurr is that it was potentially endangering real people - what if someone had a brake failure at 250 kph while marshals were on track? FP pit lane speeding gets fined if I remember correctly but you never get close to those kinds of speeds

[Traction]

I agree it's harsh that they should be penalized for something that happened in FP; without any meaningful impact on their race and/or qualifying results - but I guess it's more towards health and safety though. Like what would've happened if Lewis' brakes had gone putty as he entered the section...

Agree - but when you've got a bright green light shining at you saying that the zone is clear, picking out the waved flags next to it when you're concentrating on all the other things going on in the cockpit could be a little tricky.

Is it really different in this instance to things like speeding in the pit lane? Given some of the things that other drivers have managed to get away with this year it does seem particularly harsh. Wouldn't a fine have been better? Yet again it would appear that the FIA are unable of being consistent.

The only thing that is a positive is that at least the championship is over now so that the FIA aren't meddling in that. It does probably mean that we're in for another Vettel cruise snooze fest on Sunday though, at the front at least.

A fine means nothing to these guys....grid positions is more effective.....

[beelsebob]

I think the thing with this one myurr is that it was potentially endangering real people - what if someone had a brake failure at 250 kph while marshals were on track? FP pit lane speeding gets fined if I remember correctly but you never get close to those kinds of speeds

The problem is that yes – it was endangering real people, but if the drivers had no way to know that (flashing green lights beside the track, flashing yellow light on the wheel turned off), what are they meant to do?

[raymondu999]

I didn't watch FP or follow live timing earlier on so I can't speak for any of those - but I guess it's kind of a case of worst case rules? i.e. between track lights; steering wheel LEDs; and marshall flags (if they're all visible) if one is showing a "higher" alert level than the other two, that should be the one that drivers default to?

Having said that I don't know what exactly happened - maybe the double yellow flags were right next to a flashing green light? And you get that effect when you look at something bright and everything else goes darker? I don't know.

[kalinka]

And don't forget it was just FP1 on a brand new track. Obviously they're not so familiar with marshall's positions jet, and they have to experiment with braking points, DRS activation points, racing lines, and lots of other things. If you get confusing signals in that situation, reactions would be really unpredictable.

[kalinka]

d'Ambrosio off. Red flag. He's OK.

[vall]

I didn't watch FP or follow live timing earlier on so I can't speak for any of those - but I guess it's kind of a case of worst case rules? i.e. between track lights; steering wheel LEDs; and marshall flags (if they're all visible) if one is showing a "higher" alert level than the other two, that should be the one that drivers default to?

Having said that I don't know what exactly happened - maybe the double yellow flags were right next to a flashing green light? And you get that effect when you look at something bright and everything else goes darker? I don't know.

I guess marshall's flags have highest priority. These guys see everything first and can start waving the flats immediately after something happened. The FIA light may come on later as the information takes some time to read race control. Also, remember that the light are an electronic system and it might fail.

[myoozikk]

Wow has anyone got a recording of the Ferrari front wing flex. I've seen nothing like that before.

[Lorenzo_Bandini]

Go to the Ferrari thread mate, i post a picture. The wing flex so much it's incredible.

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[myurr]

I didn't watch FP or follow live timing earlier on so I can't speak for any of those - but I guess it's kind of a case of worst case rules? i.e. between track lights; steering wheel LEDs; and marshall flags (if they're all visible) if one is showing a "higher" alert level than the other two, that should be the one that drivers default to?

Having said that I don't know what exactly happened - maybe the double yellow flags were right next to a flashing green light? And you get that effect when you look at something bright and everything else goes darker? I don't know.

I guess marshall's flags have highest priority. These guys see everything first and can start waving the flats immediately after something happened. The FIA light may come on later as the information takes some time to read race control. Also, remember that the light are an electronic system and it might fail.

This was the other way round. The car had been cleared and the FIA signalled to everyone that the yellow flags had been removed. However it seems that some marshalls were still on track and there were waved yellows at that point.

To illustrate the problem here's a live tweet from one of the sites covering FP1:

autosportlive: Hamilton is pressing on again now the yellow flags are clear, clocking the fastest middle and final sectors to top the times in 1m27.261s.
about 1 hour ago by AUTOSPORT Live

The timing screens, steering wheel lights and track side lights were all showing the yellow flags and then showing they had been removed. As others have pointed out this is the first session ever on a new track, the drivers are still learning where the marshalling points are and will be mostly looking to the other systems to show when flags have been removed.

To me this is another case of the FIA cocking up the displays, as they did for Schumacher in Monaco, where they subsequently excessively punish the driver.

[beelsebob]

I didn't watch FP or follow live timing earlier on so I can't speak for any of those - but I guess it's kind of a case of worst case rules? i.e. between track lights; steering wheel LEDs; and marshall flags (if they're all visible) if one is showing a "higher" alert level than the other two, that should be the one that drivers default to?

Having said that I don't know what exactly happened - maybe the double yellow flags were right next to a flashing green light? And you get that effect when you look at something bright and everything else goes darker? I don't know.

I guess marshall's flags have highest priority. These guys see everything first and can start waving the flats immediately after something happened. The FIA light may come on later as the information takes some time to read race control. Also, remember that the light are an electronic system and it might fail.

The problem is that the track side lights and lights on the steering wheel were introduced because the flags were near impossible to see. It's entirely conceivable that these drivers saw green lights, saw no yellow flashing light on their dash, but didn't see any marshals with flags.

[Gaara]

Wow has anyone got a recording of the Ferrari front wing flex. I've seen nothing like that before.

There's a video here: http://www.f1arab.com/2011/10/28/indian ... st-in-fp2/

[astracrazy]

I don't see how this is fair. Surely the FIA have caused an unsafe situation themselves by showing a clear track? Which is obviously going to catch out some drivers...

Someone must be held responsible at the FIA surely, like the drivers are having to be

[myoozikk]

Sorry for the watermark...



edit ignore, no idea why it's come out so small

[Hangaku]

Who cares, right? The correct people were penalized, so we just have to accept it (regardless of right or wrong) and move on.

At this rate, a third party is going to have to be brought it to ensure that the FIA apply the rules and regulations fairly across all races / sessions / drivers. I can't help but feel that the application of penalties and rules is different at every race, which makes a mockery of the sport.