Ferrari 150° Italia

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I don't remember if the track is banked there, but if it is, then the right side (drivers right) could hit the banking, causing the left side to hit the track, and then it just goes back and forth.

EDIT: After seeing footage again, I am wrong.
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ringo wrote:I've just seen the video. That the danger of still picks.

The wing is oscillating. This is called wing flutter. It's not desirable, but i guess in this case , the case of a race car, maybe it helps.

The flutter is probably purposely tuned.
Most flying creatures have some sort of oscillating wings, they seem pretty effective at allowing them to fly. It's not far fetched that the flapping wing is helping.
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godlameroso wrote:
ringo wrote:I've just seen the video. That the danger of still picks.

The wing is oscillating. This is called wing flutter. It's not desirable, but i guess in this case , the case of a race car, maybe it helps.

The flutter is probably purposely tuned.
Most flying creatures have some sort of oscillating wings, they seem pretty effective at allowing them to fly. It's not far fetched that the flapping wing is helping.
How many human made machines exploit this though? I'm not 100% discounting it, but it's not something humans understand how to exploit well.

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Tbh it looks like they've deliberately tuned it to resonate, as many suggest, probably just to show the FIA what they're turning a blind eye to, I can't imagine anyone would want to run that wing in the race - simply because of the risk of fatigue with it oscillating like that?!

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I am also of the mindset that this is a move from Ferrari with the intent of showing the Fia that extremely flexible wings can be legal with Fia testing, but certainly cannot be deemed completely safe. Ferrari is trying to stiffen (pardon the pun) the regulations in which they are tested

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The Ferrari wing looked ridicilous. I wonder if the lamination can take those vibrations forever?

Not good if it fails and the parts go under the front wheels at the end of the straight.

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csponton wrote:SEE VIDEO AS THE FLEXIBILITY OF THE WING FRONT OF FERRARI

http://spontoncristiano.wordpress.com/2 ... discutere/

http://www.dailymotion.com/video/xlzeww ... x-fp1_auto

Great Video! I chuckled a bit though... :lol: That's just crazy flexing. I think I'd call that a floppy wing!

Then again cars are allowed to run test equipment in practice, so maybe this wing is not legal?...hmm..
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godlameroso wrote:Most flying creatures have some sort of oscillating wings, they seem pretty effective at allowing them to fly. It's not far fetched that the flapping wing is helping.
Flapping a wing to generate lift and thrust is a bit different. They are powered devices trying to move the air. Wouldn't really work if they were still would they? (ps humans use the same effect in pumps, propellers, helicopters, etc)

This wing is not powered, plus its objective is to ensure clean airflow under, around and over the car. I'd have thought the last thing they want is a disrupted airflow under and around the car.

Also, we know from the F-duct that it is not easy to re-attach airflow to a wing. I'd have thought that would be an issue for this wing too. As others have said, it is likely to be cause by vortex shedding, and vortices increase drag and cause problems if they are in the general airflow.

If Ferrari progress with this, I'd say it is because the wing being closer to the ground brings benefits that outweigh the negative aero effects of the oscillations.

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The only thing happening in this thread is speculation. Which is fine, so lonag as people don't act to know specifically what their intentions were. We have no idea what the Scuderia had planned for today, whether or not that was the desired effect or not. It is Friday and teams are allowed to test new parts that don't comply with regs.
I doubt this was the intended effect. It's probably new version of the wing maybe it's a little too flexible. Either way it's nice to see Ferrari experimenting with different parts trying to get a handle on 2012 early. We TIFOSI need it.

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after watching that footage again, it appears to me that the left and right hand side are 180 degrees out of phase, which really seems undesirable even if it was 'tuned vibration'.
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Crucial_Xtreme wrote:The only thing happening in this thread is speculation. Which is fine, so lonag as people don't act to know specifically what their intentions were. We have no idea what the Scuderia had planned for today, whether or not that was the desired effect or not. It is Friday and teams are allowed to test new parts that don't comply with regs.
I doubt this was the intended effect. It's probably new version of the wing maybe it's a little too flexible. Either way it's nice to see Ferrari experimenting with different parts trying to get a handle on 2012 early. We TIFOSI need it.
LOL, if that was Ferrari trying to handle on next years car then they are in a bit of trouble really, it was laughable, not sure the Tifosi need that. Good fun thou

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dave34m wrote:
Crucial_Xtreme wrote:The only thing happening in this thread is speculation. Which is fine, so lonag as people don't act to know specifically what their intentions were. We have no idea what the Scuderia had planned for today, whether or not that was the desired effect or not. It is Friday and teams are allowed to test new parts that don't comply with regs.
I doubt this was the intended effect. It's probably new version of the wing maybe it's a little too flexible. Either way it's nice to see Ferrari experimenting with different parts trying to get a handle on 2012 early. We TIFOSI need it.
LOL, if that was Ferrari trying to handle on next years car then they are in a bit of trouble really, it was laughable, not sure the Tifosi need that. Good fun thou
Yes because when experimenting with new parts, everything always goes perfect. Hey let's not even mention that Ferrari was on top of the time sheet, even with that "laughable" wing... :o

Obviously the stated point of running that wing is to gain an understanding, but you obviously have your own opinion.

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Crucial_Xtreme wrote:
dave34m wrote:
Crucial_Xtreme wrote:The only thing happening in this thread is speculation. Which is fine, so lonag as people don't act to know specifically what their intentions were. We have no idea what the Scuderia had planned for today, whether or not that was the desired effect or not. It is Friday and teams are allowed to test new parts that don't comply with regs.
I doubt this was the intended effect. It's probably new version of the wing maybe it's a little too flexible. Either way it's nice to see Ferrari experimenting with different parts trying to get a handle on 2012 early. We TIFOSI need it.
LOL, if that was Ferrari trying to handle on next years car then they are in a bit of trouble really, it was laughable, not sure the Tifosi need that. Good fun thou
Yes because when experimenting with new parts, everything always goes perfect. Hey let's not even mention that Ferrari was on top of the time sheet, even with that "laughable" wing... :o

Obviously the stated point of running that wing is to gain an understanding, but you obviously have your own opinion.
In my opinion, considering felipe massa went fastest in 2nd practice with that wing, it isnt laughable, if this wing is the trend going forward next year and people win with it, it wont be laughable :D
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Crucial_Xtreme wrote:
dave34m wrote:
Crucial_Xtreme wrote:The only thing happening in this thread is speculation. Which is fine, so lonag as people don't act to know specifically what their intentions were. We have no idea what the Scuderia had planned for today, whether or not that was the desired effect or not. It is Friday and teams are allowed to test new parts that don't comply with regs.
I doubt this was the intended effect. It's probably new version of the wing maybe it's a little too flexible. Either way it's nice to see Ferrari experimenting with different parts trying to get a handle on 2012 early. We TIFOSI need it.
LOL, if that was Ferrari trying to handle on next years car then they are in a bit of trouble really, it was laughable, not sure the Tifosi need that. Good fun thou
Yes because when experimenting with new parts, everything always goes perfect. Hey let's not even mention that Ferrari was on top of the time sheet, even with that "laughable" wing... :o

Obviously the stated point of running that wing is to gain an understanding, but you obviously have your own opinion.
Oh did they set the fastest time with that wobbly wing on, I didnt realise that. Not that it means much as it was clearly illegal.