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Sebastian Vettel has secured another perfect race weekend. He started from pole, led every single lap of the race, secured fastest lap in the final lap and won the first ever Indian GP. Jenson Button finished second while Fernando Alonso is third.
i think it is purely down to the team running a more conservative fuel load because this is a totally new circuit and challenging circuit.raymondu999 wrote:I think what Traction means is kind of both sides. McLaren surely should have bolted/clamped it on better so as to not let it just fall out, no?
On 1 hand; if the McLaren ended up 4kg underweight and it passed the weight test then scrutineering is not up to snuff.
On the other hand; if they weren't 4kg underweight; then why were they carrying 4kg extra weight?
Could it be; actually, that McLaren have found the weight distribution sweet spot of the Pirellis; and it gives so much more in terms of tyre conservation/pace that they're willing to run overweight for it? Maybe the better balance might in fact counter the extra weight effect.
I'm going to go on a limb and suggest that this bit maybe popped out early on in Q1 - which resulted in the way Button was saying the car had no grip.
mx_tifosi wrote:Who? McLaren or Scrutineering?
Remember when McLaren left a radiator plug in Button's car and it overheated after a lap?
Raymond answered for me...for sure...both the scrutineering teams but most of all the Mclaren engineers, Surely they would make sure that the calculations ar at the cutting edge on regards to weight of the car in order to extract the maximum efficiency in terms of power/mass ratio? I suppose it can happen though...human error is always a factor. A piece of ballast bouncing across a track could have nasty consequences...raymondu999 wrote:Or maybe they were overweight ecause of human error. I don't remember when it was but in 2008 or 2009 once Heidfeld had his ballast packages messed up and he ended up running underweight.
Put this down as a racing incident? I thought you agreed with FIA penalties (to Hamilton) and FIA penalized Massa this time, so spare me the fanboy stuff and accept the situation. Massa probably did it on purpose. He always tries to close the door on Ham even if it is too late. And yeah Massa did try to weasel out of it instead of being a big man and accepting responsibility. What a joke...JohnsonsEvilTwin wrote:He was actually ahead and on the racing line.komninosm wrote: He was along side Massa and broke first. Massa simply crashed into him.
As for how he weasels out of it during interviews, I havent seen him weasel out of anything thus far. Maybe we need to just put this down to a racing incident and forget the fanboy stuff that usually infects threads after a GP race weekend.
I wouldn't go round calling Johnsons Evil Twin a "fanboy", not only because he is quite a balanced poster, but also because people will have different views on incidents like the one between Hamilton and Massa. Even DC and Brundle were surprised to see Massa receive a penalty, with Brundle stating that he thought it was a racing incident.komninosm wrote:Put this down as a racing incident? I thought you agreed with FIA penalties (to Hamilton) and FIA penalized Massa this time, so spare me the fanboy stuff and accept the situation. Massa probably did it on purpose. He always tries to close the door on Ham even if it is too late. And yeah Massa did try to weasel out of it instead of being a big man and accepting responsibility. What a joke...JohnsonsEvilTwin wrote:He was actually ahead and on the racing line.komninosm wrote: He was along side Massa and broke first. Massa simply crashed into him.
As for how he weasels out of it during interviews, I havent seen him weasel out of anything thus far. Maybe we need to just put this down to a racing incident and forget the fanboy stuff that usually infects threads after a GP race weekend.
Felipe Massa (DNF)
“There’s not much to say at the end of a weekend like this. I am really unhappy that I was not able to finish a race in which I showed I had the pace to fight for the podium. As for the collision with Hamilton, I can only say I do not share the opinion of the Stewards who inflicted the punishment. I simply stayed on the ideal line, braking on the limit and staying on the part of the track that was rubbered in. What else could I do? It’s the umpteenth time that Hamilton runs into me this year and it seems it’s some sort of fatal attraction…In the past, I tried to talk to him but he did not seem to be interested in doing so. Now it’s best to immediately turn the page and think of the final two Grands Prix of the year. They are both special, because Abu Dhabi is a sort of second home race for Ferrari, with that amazing theme park which sits alongside the circuit and then comes Interlagos, which is always special for me. I will try and forget this trip to India as quickly as possible, but that will be absolutely nothing to do with the country!”
Total FAIL by Massa...
You don't stay on the ideal line when there's another car along side yours. You give em room. Unless you don't follow the rules. Then you get penalized. Take your medicine Massa-boy.
To be fair, Brundle said after the race that he called it that way out of a wish to be right, and a prediction that the FIA would penalise Hamilton no matter what was the cause. That said, JET is far from a fanboy, I disagree with him this time, as with some other times, but that doesn't make him less entitled to his opinion. It annoys me that people are so quick to draw the "fanboy" card – it means discussions tend to end up revolving around "zomg, you disagree with me you're a fanboy" rather than actually looking at what they said and trying to figure out if it's a valid argument.Gerhard Berger wrote:I wouldn't go round calling Johnsons Evil Twin a "fanboy", not only because he is quite a balanced poster, but also because people will have different views on incidents like the one between Hamilton and Massa. Even DC and Brundle were surprised to see Massa receive a penalty, with Brundle stating that he thought it was a racing incident.
As far as I could see, the Ferrari was quicker down the straight. He spent a couple of laps using all his KERS There to try and make it work, but couldn't get close enough to dive out. The reason he probably went for it where he did was because it was somewhat less expected, plus it was actually possible because they weren't getting to rev limiter territory.Traction wrote:Although I agree that Massa was the guilty party in the incident I also believe that maybe Hamilton, knowing how Massa and him have one together in the past, could have or should have waited for a better, safer opportunity to pass Massa as opposed to using the corner he did. Perhaps a straight, using DRS?