Indian GP 2011 - Buddh

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Another poor race from Webber in the best car on the grid. Its been a very disappionting year for Webber and it aint getting any better at the end of the season. He really needs some decent spped and results from these next few races.

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beelsebob wrote:Aside – This is actually the perfect demonstration of inconsistency from the stewards. There's very little difference between this incident and the Monaco incident with Maldonado. I agree with their decision from this race, but it would be nice to see the rules enforced the same way each time.
I think the 'inconsitency' stems from the fact that the stewards are different for every race which then stands to reason that each incident is analyses by different stewards. Why is it not possible to have a single, established panel that is in place for the entire season?
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beelsebob wrote:Aside – This is actually the perfect demonstration of inconsistency from the stewards. There's very little difference between this incident and the Monaco incident with Maldonado. I agree with their decision from this race, but it would be nice to see the rules enforced the same way each time.
Good point that. LH couldn't get past Alguesuari in the Renault using DRS....so the Ferrari would have been even more difficult.
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I've posted the race reports in the race data thread...

viewtopic.php?p=286619#p286619

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Gerhard Berger wrote:
komninosm wrote:
JohnsonsEvilTwin wrote: He was actually ahead and on the racing line.

As for how he weasels out of it during interviews, I havent seen him weasel out of anything thus far. Maybe we need to just put this down to a racing incident and forget the fanboy stuff that usually infects threads after a GP race weekend.
Put this down as a racing incident? I thought you agreed with FIA penalties (to Hamilton) and FIA penalized Massa this time, so spare me the fanboy stuff and accept the situation. Massa probably did it on purpose. He always tries to close the door on Ham even if it is too late. And yeah Massa did try to weasel out of it instead of being a big man and accepting responsibility. What a joke...

Felipe Massa (DNF)
“There’s not much to say at the end of a weekend like this. I am really unhappy that I was not able to finish a race in which I showed I had the pace to fight for the podium. As for the collision with Hamilton, I can only say I do not share the opinion of the Stewards who inflicted the punishment. I simply stayed on the ideal line, braking on the limit and staying on the part of the track that was rubbered in. What else could I do? It’s the umpteenth time that Hamilton runs into me this year and it seems it’s some sort of fatal attraction…In the past, I tried to talk to him but he did not seem to be interested in doing so. Now it’s best to immediately turn the page and think of the final two Grands Prix of the year. They are both special, because Abu Dhabi is a sort of second home race for Ferrari, with that amazing theme park which sits alongside the circuit and then comes Interlagos, which is always special for me. I will try and forget this trip to India as quickly as possible, but that will be absolutely nothing to do with the country!”

Total FAIL by Massa...
You don't stay on the ideal line when there's another car along side yours. You give em room. Unless you don't follow the rules. Then you get penalized. Take your medicine Massa-boy.
I wouldn't go round calling Johnsons Evil Twin a "fanboy", not only because he is quite a balanced poster, but also because people will have different views on incidents like the one between Hamilton and Massa. Even DC and Brundle were surprised to see Massa receive a penalty, with Brundle stating that he thought it was a racing incident.
Excuse me?!
I did not call JET a fanboy. He called others fanboys and I said spare us that stuff (his name calling).
Your diligence is misplaced.
Hmm, maybe I wasn't very clear in that sentence though, but if you read his sentence you'll know what I mean.
beelsebob wrote:
Gerhard Berger wrote:I wouldn't go round calling Johnsons Evil Twin a "fanboy", not only because he is quite a balanced poster, but also because people will have different views on incidents like the one between Hamilton and Massa. Even DC and Brundle were surprised to see Massa receive a penalty, with Brundle stating that he thought it was a racing incident.
To be fair, Brundle said after the race that he called it that way out of a wish to be right, and a prediction that the FIA would penalise Hamilton no matter what was the cause. That said, JET is far from a fanboy, I disagree with him this time, as with some other times, but that doesn't make him less entitled to his opinion. It annoys me that people are so quick to draw the "fanboy" card – it means discussions tend to end up revolving around "zomg, you disagree with me you're a fanboy" rather than actually looking at what they said and trying to figure out if it's a valid argument.
Yes, perhaps you should be annoyed at JET then because he's the one who quickdrawed the Fanboy card. :)

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Traction wrote:LH couldn't get past Alguesuari in the Renault using DRS....so the Ferrari would have been even more difficult.
I'm confused. What has Alguesuari got anything to do with Renault?

The Toro Rosso is a Ferrari aswell.

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Trailer23 wrote:
Traction wrote:LH couldn't get past Alguesuari in the Renault using DRS....so the Ferrari would have been even more difficult.
I'm confused. What has Alguesuari got anything to do with Renault?

The Toro Rosso is a Ferrari aswell.
But has significantly different aero/setup.

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I think Trailer is simply pointing out to Traction that Alguesuari does not drive a Renault.

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@ komninosm I don't see why there is any surprise.

Labelling a driver a weasel or acting as one has to be deemed inflammatory. I see no mileage in labelling anyone because it antagonises others and leads to fanboy ying yang.
Note, I wasn't calling anyone a fanboy, rather I was pointing to the rhetoric used. So apologies if your sensibilities were harmed in the creation of my post, but I'm afraid it stands so long as the "weasel" comment stands.

It was a racing incident and personally I think both drivers need to end this or someone will get hurt. No blame apportioning, just end the bickering and learn to be racing drivers.
As an aside, I think hamiltons actions pre race with putting his arm round massa and wishing him a good race was fantastic. May he have more opportunities to show us this humble and gentlemanly conduct.
More could have been done.
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Trailer23 wrote:
Traction wrote:LH couldn't get past Alguesuari in the Renault using DRS....so the Ferrari would have been even more difficult.
I'm confused. What has Alguesuari got anything to do with Renault?

The Toro Rosso is a Ferrari aswell.
lol...thinking Scuderia but seeing RB... :oops: damn those Red Bulls...
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komninosm wrote: Excuse me?!
I did not call JET a fanboy. He called others fanboys and I said spare us that stuff (his name calling).
Your diligence is misplaced.
Hmm, maybe I wasn't very clear in that sentence though, but if you read his sentence you'll know what I mean.
I misread it. Apologies! :)

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I thought LH had a miserable race, no? First he was slower than the Ferraris and he could attack Massa only because he made a mistake. In the same time Button was flying, pulling away of Webber. Then he could not pass a Toro Rosso with DRS, then I expected him to easily catch the Mercs, but he could not.

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**off topic**

Maybe this is the main thing behind why Massa is very very hate on Lewis....

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iI079j1PUB4[/youtube]

for me it might be the one and only opportunities for him (Massa) to be on that position..... to be the main contender for WDC..... it might be...i don't know....

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Massa has been very annoying lately with his "he isn't using his mind" and "he has a problem with me" theories.

I doubt that he was still holding a grudge over what happened in '08. But it's certainly all coming back to him now, probably because he feels like Lewis is robbing him of good results.

He even said in a post-race interview that he "had the pace for a podium finish". Personally, I don't have the slightest idea how the hell he got to that conclusion but for sure he's trying to put the blame on Lewis for performing very poorly.

Lewis has been nothing but nice to him while he's been acting like a total jackass. I'm sorry but that's not the sign of a true sportsman.

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Massa's demeanor in general has become incredibly annoying. In interviews he always seems to be talking about everyone else, appending his whining with "ya know".

Even when he was caught on camera pointing to the Dan Wheldon and Marco Simoncelli tributes on his helmet and thumping his fist in the general direction of his heart, it just came off as if he was trying to get attention, like it meant more to him than anyone else.

The guy isn't just wasting a seat at Ferrari, he's wasting a seat in Formula 1. Personally I can't wait for when he finally gets kicked out of the sport. Good riddance to bad rubbish.

EDIT: Here's the video. What's the thumbs up for!? Clearly the number was there because Ferrari put it there. Ofcourse I'm happy to be proved wrong, what connection does Massa have to Simoncelli?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=pl ... 1EGAMDF4XQ