I think the 'inconsitency' stems from the fact that the stewards are different for every race which then stands to reason that each incident is analyses by different stewards. Why is it not possible to have a single, established panel that is in place for the entire season?beelsebob wrote:Aside – This is actually the perfect demonstration of inconsistency from the stewards. There's very little difference between this incident and the Monaco incident with Maldonado. I agree with their decision from this race, but it would be nice to see the rules enforced the same way each time.
Good point that. LH couldn't get past Alguesuari in the Renault using DRS....so the Ferrari would have been even more difficult.beelsebob wrote:Aside – This is actually the perfect demonstration of inconsistency from the stewards. There's very little difference between this incident and the Monaco incident with Maldonado. I agree with their decision from this race, but it would be nice to see the rules enforced the same way each time.
Excuse me?!Gerhard Berger wrote:I wouldn't go round calling Johnsons Evil Twin a "fanboy", not only because he is quite a balanced poster, but also because people will have different views on incidents like the one between Hamilton and Massa. Even DC and Brundle were surprised to see Massa receive a penalty, with Brundle stating that he thought it was a racing incident.komninosm wrote:Put this down as a racing incident? I thought you agreed with FIA penalties (to Hamilton) and FIA penalized Massa this time, so spare me the fanboy stuff and accept the situation. Massa probably did it on purpose. He always tries to close the door on Ham even if it is too late. And yeah Massa did try to weasel out of it instead of being a big man and accepting responsibility. What a joke...JohnsonsEvilTwin wrote: He was actually ahead and on the racing line.
As for how he weasels out of it during interviews, I havent seen him weasel out of anything thus far. Maybe we need to just put this down to a racing incident and forget the fanboy stuff that usually infects threads after a GP race weekend.
Felipe Massa (DNF)
“There’s not much to say at the end of a weekend like this. I am really unhappy that I was not able to finish a race in which I showed I had the pace to fight for the podium. As for the collision with Hamilton, I can only say I do not share the opinion of the Stewards who inflicted the punishment. I simply stayed on the ideal line, braking on the limit and staying on the part of the track that was rubbered in. What else could I do? It’s the umpteenth time that Hamilton runs into me this year and it seems it’s some sort of fatal attraction…In the past, I tried to talk to him but he did not seem to be interested in doing so. Now it’s best to immediately turn the page and think of the final two Grands Prix of the year. They are both special, because Abu Dhabi is a sort of second home race for Ferrari, with that amazing theme park which sits alongside the circuit and then comes Interlagos, which is always special for me. I will try and forget this trip to India as quickly as possible, but that will be absolutely nothing to do with the country!”
Total FAIL by Massa...
You don't stay on the ideal line when there's another car along side yours. You give em room. Unless you don't follow the rules. Then you get penalized. Take your medicine Massa-boy.
Yes, perhaps you should be annoyed at JET then because he's the one who quickdrawed the Fanboy card.beelsebob wrote:To be fair, Brundle said after the race that he called it that way out of a wish to be right, and a prediction that the FIA would penalise Hamilton no matter what was the cause. That said, JET is far from a fanboy, I disagree with him this time, as with some other times, but that doesn't make him less entitled to his opinion. It annoys me that people are so quick to draw the "fanboy" card – it means discussions tend to end up revolving around "zomg, you disagree with me you're a fanboy" rather than actually looking at what they said and trying to figure out if it's a valid argument.Gerhard Berger wrote:I wouldn't go round calling Johnsons Evil Twin a "fanboy", not only because he is quite a balanced poster, but also because people will have different views on incidents like the one between Hamilton and Massa. Even DC and Brundle were surprised to see Massa receive a penalty, with Brundle stating that he thought it was a racing incident.
I'm confused. What has Alguesuari got anything to do with Renault?Traction wrote:LH couldn't get past Alguesuari in the Renault using DRS....so the Ferrari would have been even more difficult.
But has significantly different aero/setup.Trailer23 wrote:I'm confused. What has Alguesuari got anything to do with Renault?Traction wrote:LH couldn't get past Alguesuari in the Renault using DRS....so the Ferrari would have been even more difficult.
The Toro Rosso is a Ferrari aswell.
lol...thinking Scuderia but seeing RB... damn those Red Bulls...Trailer23 wrote:I'm confused. What has Alguesuari got anything to do with Renault?Traction wrote:LH couldn't get past Alguesuari in the Renault using DRS....so the Ferrari would have been even more difficult.
The Toro Rosso is a Ferrari aswell.
I misread it. Apologies!komninosm wrote: Excuse me?!
I did not call JET a fanboy. He called others fanboys and I said spare us that stuff (his name calling).
Your diligence is misplaced.
Hmm, maybe I wasn't very clear in that sentence though, but if you read his sentence you'll know what I mean.