Silly Season 2011/2012

[raymondu999]

Buemi is the RBR test and reserve driver

[vall]

Buemi is the RBR test and reserve driver

I thought that Jaime had more chances! He must have seriously pissed off Marko

[Trailer23]

a·tro·cious /əˈtrōSHəs/
Adjective:
1. Horrifyingly wicked: "atrocious cruelties".
2. Of a very poor quality; extremely bad or unpleasant: "atrocious choice".
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That is the only word how one can describe Buemi being chosen of Alguersuari. Sincerely, if this is how Red Bull takes big decisions - then its clear that they aren't interested in talent.

Webber & the other two STR's are always to clear the path for Vettel no matter what.

People talk about Red Bull coming up with World Champions, but so far they've got only one (-courtesy of Adrian Newey). It isn't as if they've had an army of champions in the past.

[Richard]

Perhaps Alguersuari has a race seat at HRT?

[Trailer23]

He OR Red Bull already turned down that offer a couple of weeks back.

[Giblet]

a·tro·cious /əˈtrōSHəs/
Adjective:
1. Horrifyingly wicked: "atrocious cruelties".
2. Of a very poor quality; extremely bad or unpleasant: "atrocious choice".
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That is the only word how one can describe Buemi being chosen of Alguersuari. Sincerely, if this is how Red Bull takes big decisions - then its clear that they aren't interested in talent.

Webber & the other two STR's are always to clear the path for Vettel no matter what.

People talk about Red Bull coming up with World Champions, but so far they've got only one (-courtesy of Adrian Newey). It isn't as if they've had an army of champions in the past.

We are not privy to everything about these drivers that the teams know. I would assume they have good reasons that us peons won't know. If Buemi is better at setting up a car, he is a better choice for TD. Alguesuari never beat Buemi enough to really impress IMO, an Buemi beat him often enough as well.

[Tyler]

I think that the ultimate goal is to have people in the team that can graduate to or step in at Toro Rosso Red Bull when needed.
Just a personal theory but I think that Alguersuari's incident with Marko after blocking Vettel showed that he wasn't co-operative enough, especially if that meant playing second fiddle to the lead driver.

[RB7ate9]

Unfortunately, it just makes sense from a management point of view to take Buemi over Alguesuari not so much for Buemi's pros, but Alguesuari's cons:

1. Seb and Jaime are relatively interchangeable regarding their quali/points from the 2010/2011 comparison

2. Jaime has had a brush with Helmut - always a bad idea for RB/TR drivers

3. Jaime also has that side DJ job which distracts from the larger Red Bull marketing machine

4. Jaime hasn't demonstrated remarkable improvement over Buemi (as can be evidently viewed in quali/points) in the 2.5 seasons compared to Buemi's 3

5. Jaime and Seb would've been considered from TEST driver. For all we know, Jaime didn't want to go for it in the first place. So Seb could have been the second choice.

[Trailer23]

3. Jaime also has that side DJ job which distracts from the larger Red Bull marketing machine

Well its not like his DJing was getting in the way of any type of in-season testing. He still scored alot more than Buemi this year.

4. Jaime hasn't demonstrated remarkable improvement over Buemi (as can be evidently viewed in quali/points) in the 2.5 seasons compared to Buemi's 3

Compare the two for 2011:

5. Jaime and Seb would've been considered from TEST driver. For all we know, Jaime didn't want to go for it in the first place. So Seb could have been the second choice.

So he opted to sit out the entire season, rather than a have slim chance of driving best car on the grid in '13 (if Webber were to leave). I kinda doubt that.

[RB7ate9]

To Trailer23: Point taken.

Regarding 5: it still could be. Stranger things have happened.

[ringo]

Buemi is the RBR test and reserve driver

I thought that Jaime had more chances! He must have seriously pissed off Marko

Buemi was always the quicker, and more comprehensive driver. Don't know how you guys haven't been realizing this.

[ringo]

a·tro·cious /əˈtrōSHəs/
Adjective:
1. Horrifyingly wicked: "atrocious cruelties".
2. Of a very poor quality; extremely bad or unpleasant: "atrocious choice".
__________________________________________________________

That is the only word how one can describe Buemi being chosen of Alguersuari. Sincerely, if this is how Red Bull takes big decisions - then its clear that they aren't interested in talent.

Webber & the other two STR's are always to clear the path for Vettel no matter what.

People talk about Red Bull coming up with World Champions, but so far they've got only one (-courtesy of Adrian Newey). It isn't as if they've had an army of champions in the past.

I think it is your perception that is deceiving you.
Jaime is very rough around the edges on track. Also his feedback is poor.

Buemi is more consistent, much cleaner driver.

So i don't know why you would consider redbull's decision atrocious. They do know more than we do. I support their decision.

Buemi may not look so bright, and may not be the popular guy like Jaime, but he's the better driver without a doubt.

[ringo]

Unfortunately, it just makes sense from a management point of view to take Buemi over Alguesuari not so much for Buemi's pros, but Alguesuari's cons:

1. Seb and Jaime are relatively interchangeable regarding their quali/points from the 2010/2011 comparison

2. Jaime has had a brush with Helmut - always a bad idea for RB/TR drivers

3. Jaime also has that side DJ job which distracts from the larger Red Bull marketing machine

4. Jaime hasn't demonstrated remarkable improvement over Buemi (as can be evidently viewed in quali/points) in the 2.5 seasons compared to Buemi's 3

5. Jaime and Seb would've been considered from TEST driver. For all we know, Jaime didn't want to go for it in the first place. So Seb could have been the second choice.

I don't think these points really matter at all to redbull. These just look like excuses Jaime would use to make it look as if everything but his driving and technical abilities are to blame.

Jaime only has more points than Buemi becuase of Buemi's mechanical DNFs. There was never really much in the way of Jaime outshining Buemi.
Buemi has had better drives over the season. Shown more technical feed back, and also has been more mature in how he comments and i guess he's probably a more motivational driver for the team and mechanics.
Jaime's radio always sounds like he's clueless. He never yet sounds sure about anything and he never yet point the team in a direction to go with the car.
Buemi gives a leadership impression more than Jaime.
I would go with Sebastian Buemi any day. Jaime can do like Grosjean and race outside of F1 to mature.

[CHT]

I think that the ultimate goal is to have people in the team that can graduate to or step in at Toro Rosso Red Bull when needed.
Just a personal theory but I think that Alguersuari's incident with Marko after blocking Vettel showed that he wasn't co-operative enough, especially if that meant playing second fiddle to the lead driver.

Alquersuari will be the official DJ for all of RBR post race party.

[RB7ate9]

Buemi has had better drives over the season. Shown more technical feed back, and also has been more mature in how he comments and i guess he's probably a more motivational driver for the team and mechanics.
Jaime's radio always sounds like he's clueless. He never yet sounds sure about anything and he never yet point the team in a direction to go with the car.
Buemi gives a leadership impression more than Jaime.
I would go with Sebastian Buemi any day. Jaime can do like Grosjean and race outside of F1 to mature.

This. Ultimately, the best drivers are ones that can contribute to the team. I don't follow TR nor their drivers a whole awful lot, so can't give my word on the matter, but if Buemi has been providing some better feedback, then he is the more valuable driver overall to any team.

Off to the TR threads for info!

P.S. I hope Alguesuari does get some seat in F1 for this coming season, his experience and youth would serve well at HRT.