Schumi deliberately blocks Monaco quali

[Scuderia_Russ]

here here

Hear, hear.

http://www.straightdope.com/mailbag/mhear.html

[manchild]

Hill made the mistake of thinking Michael wouldn't run into him purposely, like any sane driver would do.

=D>

[Scuderia_Russ]

At best the '94 incident was a racing one.

[manchild]

Strangely, such incidents happen to him only in last race of the sesaon when title is being decided (Macau, Adelaide, Jerez).

[pRo]

Just wanted to point out that Schumi didn't "start" his things in 1994, though it may have been the first obvious incident in front of the big public. He was already famous of his stunts in F3, though I understand many doesn't follow that series. His most famous "accident" back there was pushing Mika Häkkinen into a concrete wall. Not the first, not the only one, but one of the few widely known "accidents", probably because both of them got so far afterwards.

So please, do NOT believe his incident in Monaco was the first. NOR the famous '94 incident. Neither was even close.

[Scuderia_Russ]

I'm sorry, I'm sorry... maybe I'm being a complete halfwit here, but how in the hell does Schumacher push Hakkinen into a concrete wall when Hakkinen is behind him? Hakkinen just drives into the back of him by the look of it!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VvWq29Wj ... h=Hakkinen

[RH1300S]

As a counterpoint to Schumi - let's spare a thought for Alonso. A man who is a ruthless racer, is determined and skillful; but who is an honourable champion.

I will defend Schuey for some of his astounding races (lots of them too...); but when you look at each of his best known "incidents" none of them stand up to much scrutiny. Macau with Hakkinen, 1994 with Hill, 1997 Villenueve, now Monaco 2006. Not to mention many of his "chops" and the constant stink of questionable cars and tactics - these things all follow him.

[RH1300S]

I'm sorry, I'm sorry... maybe I'm being a complete halfwit here, but how in the hell does Schumacher push Hakkinen into a concrete wall when Hakkinen is behind him? Hakkinen just drives into the back of him by the look of it!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VvWq29Wj ... h=Hakkinen

I read that as Hakkinen moved out for a pass and Schuey swerved across the track to block him - CONTACT!

[Scuderia_Russ]

What were the rules on defending your position in Formula 3 at the time?

[West]

Well if you see the comments on that page Schumacher apparently told Hakkinen he did run him into the wall... on purpose

I guess Michael brake checked him but it did look like he really didn't do anything. Then again, everybody knew about this incident before the Hill incident.

OT: As for the comment on the Youtube page about Hakkinen always crying... I didn't know that crying ONCE meant crying ALWAYS. Maybe my English is flawed

[Scuderia_Russ]

If you watch the season review of the year he did have a bit of a cry, then straight afterwards in the paddock he is laughing with journalists when asked about it. "Grown men never cry ha-ha" were his exact words. Could hardly blame the guy for crying b.t.w.

[pRo]

I'm sorry, I'm sorry... maybe I'm being a complete halfwit here, but how in the hell does Schumacher push Hakkinen into a concrete wall when Hakkinen is behind him? Hakkinen just drives into the back of him by the look of it!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VvWq29Wj ... h=Hakkinen

Like the comments say, he got a penalty from FIA for that move, so obviously someone else thought there was something wrong with it as well.

And yes, there has been rumours that he later told Häkkinen that he did it on purpose, but I've never seen Schumi or Häkkinen say that out loud, so I wouldn't take that for a fact. We all know how "much" it takes to start a rumour.

[Scuderia_Russ]

I've only just read the comments. Very intelligent.

[pRo]

I've only just read the comments. Very intelligent.

Sorry, I didn't mean to say I got the info from the comments. He did get a penalty, IIRC it was just a financial fine though and nothing major. I meant the comments also mention that. I wouldn't take anything said on a page like that for a fact.

I'm sure you're aware that the Macau Masters Race was just a single (well, dual) race, where the best drivers around the world's F3 series were invited to compete. Basically just for the fun of it, like the more well known The Race Of Champions in Paris. Well, at least for most.


The event itself had two races and the times would be added together and the winner was the one with best added time. Häkkinen had won the first round with few seconds lead to Schumi and was "all over" Schumi in the 2nd run, but couldn't pass, nor could Schumi get any gap to him, which he needed to win. It seemed like he can easily cruise to win that round though, as there weren't places to overtake without driver error. Of course the other route to winning the whole event was that Häkkinen didn't finnish. The rest is history and rumours. Who knows if he made a mistake or slowed down on purpose to give Häkkinen a chance to overtake and then do what he did. No one knows for sure. Everyone has an opinion. I won't say mine out loud. I'm just saying that a suspicious event happened back then.

Anyone who has the race on tape/dvd/link, check his interview after the race. He looks and acts just like he did after this pole.

[Hudsonhawk.]

http://www.f1racing.net/en/news.php?newsID=119550

No wonder this sport is going down hill.

Am i the only one who reads the above as MM acknowledges he cheated but then says its acceptable to do this because you only have a split second to make a cheating decision !!!