Schumi deliberately blocks Monaco quali

[FLC]

Before I say anything - I'm a ferrari fan, but I can agree with the punishment MS got in monaco. Tho I tend to think it was a lil bit too harsh. Even so I think some people are being hypocrit about the incident.

Weber Should be band from attending races?! Why? Someone made the F1 circuits an extension of Iran and didnt tell us fans? He said what was on his mind and what is very relevant to the case. Nobody here knows which sides the stewards took when coming to convict MS. Nobody told us if they took so long because they couldnt agree on something and not because they were looking into the evidence. You can surely go through the telemtry of a 30 sec incident and hear the defendant in less time than 8 hours. I can only imagine what would happen if Alonso was been invastegated for something and an Italian steward or a German one would be crying afterwards like that. Briatore would play Weber's part here and every MS/Ferrari hater would be all over the place with the Ferrari/FIA conspiracy. Not to mention that I dont remember a steward coming out like this to the press. Makes you truly wonder why he did, and why it is the spanish one of all three. I dont know that guy and so i cant question his reliability, but for crying out loud - Weber said a super-relevant thing that I think everyone should know. If it hurts some of the people who belived that this was a point blank verdict than too bad.

[Tp]

Well Weber does have a good point; about allowing a Spaniard, on to the three-man ruling committee, to make a decision on whether Schumacher did hold up his fellow Spaniard on his fast lap.

I also thought that the Stewards are required to have experience in racing. How can they come up with a decision of whether he purposely parked the car, or he lost control of an F1 car, if they've never even been in a race with an F1 car?


“Michael will enter the history books as the best Formula 1 driver of all time.”

Dam Right.

[manchild]

Dave is right about Weber because he is breaking FIA sporting code and what Dave suggested is a common practice in all FIA based championships for someone who is undermining and obstructing the competition. No participant in F1 is allowed to undermine credibility of competition by saying what he pleases without anything to prove that, especially after FIA stewards made official ruling. What Weber has done is not just against FIA sporting code but also very primitive because he based prejudice on nationality which has no place in international competition like F1. Also, Shuey wasn't punished as much as he should have been. He was already multiple offender with 3 FIA disqualifications before this one in Monaco (two in 1994 and one in 1997). He was actually very lucky not to face at least ban for several races. Questioning credibility of stewards based on their nationality or anything else is shameful because they are just clerks in FIA not dealing with politics like Max and Co. Rules of the game were known to everyone before they entered F1 and there is absolutely no excuse to complain now.

[Tp]

3 FIA disqualifications

Well he has been in F1 for 16 years!!

It is very easy to jump to the conclusion that this is another such incident, but Schumacher is not driven in the same way these days.

prejudice on nationality which has no place in international competition like F1

I agree. But there should not of been a Steward who is of the same nationality of Alonso, discussing whether Schumacher should or should not be sent to the back of the grid, which would affect whether Alonso wins or not. He should of been removed to reduce uncertainty of the decision being prejudice.

[FLC]

Calling the race stewards "clerks" is ridiculous. Thats exactly like giving an Italian soccer referee to be in charge of a world cup match, say, between Italy and Brazil. Isnt he just a "clerk" of FIFA? Why then FIFA doesnt follow this ridiculous idea?! Did you ever think that this guy is maybe not a politician, but alonso's fan?! Did you ever think he is not a politician, but a big patriot of Spain?! NOBODY seems to be THAT innocent, except when it comes to putting Ferrari and MS in a bad light.

And secondly, if participants of F1 werent allowed to make suggestions without being able to prove them, then im pretty sure that we would allready be out of participants. Willis, for that matter, had a lot to say about Ferrari's wing without being able to prove it ; "especially after FIA stewards made an official ruling" somebody said?!. and still, I never saw anyone saying that Willis should get out of F1 circuits... Oh no. He did the right thing... So typical

[jgredline]

Like I said, I am not doubting their verdict, but in the context and how it may be perceived it is not a wise thing to do....I find it strange for the media to feel the need to point out he is Spanish, because if they had left it alone it probably wouldn't be as awkward....

I think the fact he is Spanish made the decision more difficult.
All of these thoughts were running through his head as well I am sure.

[Sawtooth-spike]

guys,
Look at it this way,

We all have to except that the ferrari rims and flexi wing are legal becasue the Fia and race stewards said so. We are argued alot about it and the agrument was used that if its not been banned and has passed the test then its legal. Correct?

The Stewards said Schuie Cheated. they Punished him. There for by the same rules as above he is a Cheat. But he has been punished so lets just get on with it. I just wish he would admit it, i think that would gain him back some respect.

[manchild]

Well he has been in F1 for 16 years!!

So was for example Ricardo Patrese - 256 Grand Prix between 1977 and 1993. Many drivers have been in F1 for more than a decade but none od them has such negative score. Thing is that MS got his 3 disqualifications in first 7 years in F1, two in the year when he became WDC for the first time!

I still don't get nationality thing FLC insists on. According to that Flavio Briatore should favor Ferrari and Jean Todt should favor Renault. For me people who are biased because of nationalty, ethnicity, religion or blood relation are not the the ones I respect at all.

Also, both Weber and Schuey are Germans so "Mr. 20%" intendes to convince us that Germans are not biased to each other while Spaniards are?

[FLC]

Manchild,
You dont need a master degree in order to understand the nationality thing. Jean Todt doesnt make decisions regarding renault and vice versa. This is a simple thing that is implemented in every fair judgement of sport, and not just sport. It is not there to insult the people involved, but to note that we are just humans, and so can make mistakes of that kind no matter how professional one might be.

Also - Weber isnt obligated to being objective. Any 5 year old can tell you that. In his words he just pointed to an interesting fact, which itself is the important matter. And I repeat: it doesnt mean that MS is innocent.

But somehow, and I know I'm not the first one to say this, you tend to pretend a lot less brighter than you really are when it comes to abusing Ferrari and Shcumacher.

[Ciro Pabón]

Well, I do not know about Michael intentions, but on the right his fastest lap, on the left his infamous stop. Judge by yourselves:



Did you notice the red and yellow colours on the roof to the left? It is the FLAG of Spain! Do you need further proof? I have told you: is the alien influence...

What kind of name is Verde-gay? "Verde" means "green", if you get my drift! "Green" for "envy", and, as Webber pointed out, "gay" for "spaniard". It is the alien code!

Bernie is too short for an earthling! They took 8 hours to get a ruling, time enough for the relay to their mothership in Ganymedes! Superman was at the paddock and last year I saw Darth Vader! I can write sentences ending in exclamation marks! Several of them!!!!!!

I propose we crown Schumacher not only as the greatest pilot that has ever existed, but as the greatest pilot that will ever exist. And BTW, he totally deserves to manage the valet parking at the VIP area.

[pRo]

“Michael will enter the history books at the best Formula 1 driver of all time.”

Opinions, opinions.

He does have several records, but does that make him the best? Say two guys start playing football in UK this year and guy A makes 50 goals, while guy B only scores five times. Who's better? Now say guy A quits playing for whatever reason after two years (family/health/death/lost interest) and guy B keeps playing for 25 years and scores five times every season, making 125 goals in total. Does that make guy B a better player, cause he scored more?

Yes, I'm referring to some drivers who haven't driven as many races as Schumi. No, I won't say who I think is the best driver, nor even the 2nd best, but in my books Schumi is number three.

[jaslfc]

we have argued this topic many times around. And i think i can speak to most of the participants of this forum that no one THINKS shumy as the GREATEST EVER . He is among the best ever but this is very subjective due to other external factors.. We can safely say Senna and Prost is up there but let us not forget drivers like Mansell who only won 1 championship but can be said by the way he drove as a legend.

[pRo]

let us not forget drivers like

We old farts won't ever forget Jim Clark.

[NickT]

Schimi is number three on my list to, I just hope he is arround when all the driver aids are removed, then we will see just who is the best of the current drivers really are

[zac510]

Well, I do not know about Michael intentions, but on the right his fastest lap, on the left his infamous stop. Judge by yourselves:

Ciro, I think that is a bit misleading as it doesn't include the corner before Rascasse.

His line through the left hander completely dictates his line through Rascasse so should be just as much part of the evidence.

PS I know you are mostly joking in your post