Leaf Springs

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NickT
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Found these pics of the rear suspension, look at the flat black bar at the bottom of the suspension, that is your transverse leaf spring.

http://tradezone.com/vette/img/suspensi ... rearlg.jpg

http://orasoft.com/Auto_Show_2005/Rear_ ... ension.JPG

If you saw 5th Gear a couple of weeks ago you would know that Tiff rates the car very highly and that its suspension setup was honed at the Nurburgring and laps faster than anything this side of £150,000

8) 8) 8) Corvette Z06 the only American sports car that actually handles well complet with is "light weight" 7 litre V8 8) 8) 8)
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bob from usa
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Yup, that little 7L motor actually weighs between 450-500lb depending on your definition of "dressed." From what I've heard the 500hp BMW V10 and the new AMG V8 are both heavier (a touch over 500 each). I also could help but notice that AMG stopped claiming their V8 was the most powerful normally aspirated V8 in production. The LS7 actually makes a few more ponies. The two are very close at 505 SAE vs 510 DIN but a DIN pony is slightly smaller than an SAE pony.

The amazing thing is that motor actually is no taller or longer (and not much wider) than a Mazda 1.8L. These pictures are the LS1 block which has the same external dimensions.

http://www.vorshlag.com/pictures/BothFront.jpg
http://www.vorshlag.com/pictures/BothRight.jpg

RacingManiac
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m3_lover wrote: Also in C5-r and C6-r that are used for racing do they still use the leaf springs. This is not a corvette bashing thing and I love the corvette, just curious about it that is all.
The coilover layout also allows for easier spring change for setup, and allows for assymetrical rate(who know, maybe they need that for some track predominately that goes one direction).

I was under the impression though that the Vette uses leaf spring on both end, not just the rear....and if it is supported in the middle, and gets its rate from spring bending, from the mount, I don't see how it can act as an ARB.... :?:

bob from usa
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Actually, the Vette spring is easy to change because it doesn't require removing the shocks. However, on racing cars shocks are typically much easier to remove.
However, on racing cars coil springs created a bending/binding force on the shocks which results in extra friction. Hyperco markets a line of racing spring perches to address this problem.
http://www.hypercoils.com/Products/Hype ... Perch.aspx
http://www.hypercoils.com/DOC/Centraliz ... d-Axis.doc
This binding issue is insignificant to street cars but is a problem for racecars like the C6-R. The leaf spring is not co-axial to the shock and does not cause this problem. However, the availability of many racing springs (effectively universal springs to fit largely standard racing shocks) makes the use of custom leaves somewhat less desirable.

As for working as an anti-roll bar, please see the link I included in my first post. Effectively, pushing up on the end of the spring (wheel compresses) causes the center of the spring to move down. That in turn reduces the downward force on the opposite wheel. The effect is strong enough that GM was considering not installing anti-roll bars on the 1984 Corvette (again see the article).

I suspect that article is copied from an old book called "The Newest Corvette" by Michael Lamm.

The Corvette is actually filled with examples of GM bucking conventional wisdom and doing innovative things. They seem primitive on the surface but they are often brilliant when you examine the details.
Examples:

Pushrod motor: Clearly this is in part to save money by using a motor that will be part of the same family as the truck motors (but not the same motor). However, the pushrod motor allows a lot of displacement to fit in under a very low hood. It's power density is very good. The standard motor has more power/lb than Honda's 2L used in the S2000 for example. The 7L Z06 motor weighs less than BMW's V10, yet has more power (though only slightly). The enormous torque of the motor allows a fuel saving 1:0.5 final gear. The result is great highway mileage when you want to use top gear.

Balsa Wood Flood: This makes the Vette one of the few cars that uses wood for anything other than cosmetics. It's actually used as part of a sandwich panel in the floor. Much like the honeycomb portion of a honeycomb panel the wood is used to stiffen two thin sheets of metal. The balsa is light, not too expensive and does the job well.

The Leaf Spring: The transverse spring is used front and rear. Compared to the same system with coils, the Vette suspension is lighter and has a lower CG. Additionally, on the C5 Vette GM actually started off with the intent to use coils (they cost less) but they were able to get better shock placement without the added diameter of a coil around the damper.

Lots of unconventional thinking that yields something very good. The same sort of clever thinking that allows a rear engined, air cooled, car with struts up front to be one of the all time great driver's cars.