Ferrari F2012

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Crabbia wrote:
MIKEY_! wrote:They could lower the acer ducts without compromising their cooling. That would get them clear of the beam wing and preserve the undercut.
I would think the exhausts are in the lowest position possible and they are sticking out the tops of the acer ducts already. so they could move the acer ducts further down but i dont think they can have the exhaust in them.
I'm with you Crabbia. I think they are about as low in relation to the reference plane as possible. I think the problem with the Acer Ducts is that they need to be moved backwards some. I think they are too close to the rear tyre.

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Looks like I'm blind, I realy did not register the under accer duct bump and the side of the floor.

However, I can not find the smal part on the bottom of the first thing, I don't know how to call it.
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Mr.G wrote:Looks like I'm blind, I realy did not register the under accer duct bump and the side of the floor.

However, I can not find the smal part on the bottom of the first thing, I don't know how to call it.
Check pages 86 & 71. Those are the first two I could find the quickest. But if you were to go back to Jerez you would see it there as well. Now worries. :))

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Crucial_Xtreme wrote: I'm with you Crabbia. I think they are about as low in relation to the reference plane as possible. I think the problem with the Acer Ducts is that they need to be moved backwards some. I think they are too close to the rear tyre.
i was thinking the same thing about moving them back too. seeing the pictures of the exhaust a few pages back i think it would be possible to shift it back in terms of packaging. it might make it less sensitive to on throttle/ off throttle responses too but again it might make it not worth the trouble in terms of performance and the trade off with mass centralisation.

i think the main problem with these acer ducts is that the whole concept of the sidepods is built around them. the slight U shape to the side pods creating a channel of flow to these ducts, the exhaust creating a low pressure on the exit of the acer outlets to "pull" hot air out of the heat exchanger cowling, the subsequent flow to the beam wing, the old school upright heat exchangers.

i think it all works together and that why they only tried small "hack job" changes and not outright changing of these ducts. Because doing so would necessitate a complete change in concept.

it will be interesting to see if they tweak it and just pull it back as you say, or scrap it all together and go for a suaberescque exhaust and somehow make the internals work.

i'm on team tweak it. for now. my position might change on Sunday night.
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When I look on to RB and McLaren it looks like the Ferrari have different phylosophy of the exhaust roting. F goes to the rear besides RB and McL goes to the front and then curve back.

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Ferrari - http://www.formula1.com/wi/sutton/2011/d12aus95.jpg
Red Bull - http://img2.auto-motor-und-sport.de/Red ... 579639.jpg
McLaren - http://img3.auto-motor-und-sport.de/McL ... 579706.jpg
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Looks like the new side-pods haven't arrived yet. :)
James Allen says "The word in the paddock is that Ferrari has a heavily revised car under development for the Spanish Grand Prix in May. It will require new crash tests and will be designed to make the external exhaust concept work and the set up be more consistent".
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FakeAlonso wrote:Looks like the new side-pods haven't arrived yet. :)
[img]http://motorsport.nextgen-auto.com/gall ... um.jpg[img]
something new i can spot is a new front wing...look at the back and you can see it...it has the new flap tested in the last barc test but its not the 5 element wing..
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I know this pic is off topic but I hope the F2014 will look something like this.
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amouzouris wrote:
FakeAlonso wrote:Looks like the new side-pods haven't arrived yet. :)
[img]http://motorsport.nextgen-auto.com/gall ... um.jpg[img]
something new i can spot is a new front wing...look at the back and you can see it...it has the new flap tested in the last barc test but its not the element wing..
Well spotted.
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FakeAlonso wrote:I know this pic is off topic but I hope the F2014 will look something like this.
22inch rims and a-pillars are pretty practical on a F1 car... :?
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FrukostScones wrote:
FakeAlonso wrote:I know this pic is off topic but I hope the F2014 will look something like this.
22inch rims and a-pillars are pretty practical on a F1 car... :?
I agree with you. Apart from the 22 inch rims the car looks good.

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High Res. Right click>view image

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Not high res

New floor
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FakeAlonso wrote:
FrukostScones wrote:
FakeAlonso wrote:I know this pic is off topic but I hope the F2014 will look something like this.
22inch rims and a-pillars are pretty practical on a F1 car... :?
I agree with you. Apart from the 22 inch rims the car looks good.

For me it looks awful. Even the mirrors are in such way you can see because of the pilar.
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Crucial_Xtreme wrote:High Res. Right click>view image

[img]http://www.formula1.com/wi/sutton/2011/ ... 96.jpg[img]

Not high res

New floor
[img]http://motorsport.nextgen-auto.com/gall ... 89.jpg[img]

Looking at the picture of new floor what it pick up my eye it is the prominent part that it is registered by the fabric just in front the rear tyres hole, maybe it is to protect the degradation of the rear tyres (my guess) or it is where the rear wing is connected, could someone see it?
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"I think Red Bull are ahead of the rest at the moment," Fry says. "Maybe half a second. We're guessing about fuel levels used in testing but I would say Red Bull are between five- and seven-tenths ahead of everyone else. I think it will be Red Bull, then McLaren and Lotus close together, and then us somewhere."