Australian GP 2012 - Albert Park

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I think Webber just didn't like last years car in combination with the tyres, plus even though they said they never favoured either driver I still think they developed for one finger muppet though.

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Comment might be a bit late, but having the two most beautiful cars of the year on the 3 first slots of the grid will make the GP much prettier to look at.

The 2009 regulations already made those F1 look like Playmobil cars, this step nose goes a step further...

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Race prospects seem to be good for Alonso. He has 4 sets of unused tyres. And since he qualified outside the top 10, he will be allowed to change his tyres too. So he would be able to push bit more compared to others who have 2 (at max 3) sets of unused tyres.

What are the chances that FA would opt for a 3 stopper, use all the 4 sets of fresh tyres and just rocket around the track (in reference to the F2012 pace obviously)?

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banibhusan wrote:Race prospects seem to be good for Alonso. He has 4 sets of unused tyres. And since he qualified outside the top 10, he will be allowed to change his tyres too. So he would be able to push bit more compared to others who have 2 (at max 3) sets of unused tyres.

What are the chances that FA would opt for a 3 stopper, use all the 4 sets of fresh tyres and just rocket around the track (in reference to the F2012 pace obviously)?
race prospect seems better for raikkonen, unlike the alonso, raikkonen have better car then alonso for sure, and he have all the 4 sets of fresh tyres :twisted:

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Ok,

First, I think it is a bit early to ditch Ferrari. F10 was nearly a winner and that it was two years ago and not on Shumacher era.

Second, this is qualifying, if Alonso would't have span with used tyres he would probably have been on Q3 and manage high 1.25's . Around 1s or bit less of Pole position. It is not ideal but it is not as bad as last year.

Third, tomorrow is the race and as we know from last year degradation plays a great factor as does the race pace.
We saw last year that it worked for some drivers to miss Q3 to use fresh tyres and this year all teams are suffering for the high degradation as all are commenting on interviews.

So what it is important is to win the races and the championship at the end of the year. So until Spain grand prix I am not alarmed yet about Ferrari. Everything can happen on the next three races.

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Neno wrote: race prospect seems better for raikkonen, unlike the alonso, raikkonen have better car then alonso for sure, and he have all the 4 sets of fresh tyres :twisted:
Raikkonen is out of the question here. What you said is quite evident from the pace of the Lotus. I hope he is more comfortable with the steering system by now.

I am just curious to know how will the Ferrari fair in the race tomorrow. :D

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raymondu999 wrote:A radical change was always going to be risky. I think what most people are saying is that the F150 should have been kept on - just sans the EBD. It seemed pretty good "without" it at Silvy last year
I watched F1 since 1995 and i can not remember a radical car going straight to the front. 1996 Ferrari, 2003 Mclaren, 2004 Williams were all failures in the end despite much hype about how "radical they were". It seems to me that to build a dominant car, it takes at least 1 or 2 years of refinement and improvement of an existing. Ferrari should know this - we saw the steady progress made from 96 to 2002.

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banibhusan wrote:Race prospects seem to be good for Alonso. He has 4 sets of unused tyres. And since he qualified outside the top 10, he will be allowed to change his tyres too. So he would be able to push bit more compared to others who have 2 (at max 3) sets of unused tyres.

What are the chances that FA would opt for a 3 stopper, use all the 4 sets of fresh tyres and just rocket around the track (in reference to the F2012 pace obviously)?
That far back and that far down on pace I don't see any amount of tyres helping when they all have to use both compounds, seems to be a little clutching at ferrari straws here.

I just hope when he or massa doesn't have a over/under moment when someone is trying to pass them and take them out as the car looks very unstable.

I am trying not to laugh at the "rocket round the track" phrase though, they going to be adding rocket motors to it in order to improve its bad top end?

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Redragon wrote:Ok,

First, I think it is a bit early to ditch Ferrari. F10 was nearly a winner and that it was two years ago and not on Shumacher era.
That is true, but F10 showed good pace from the start of the season.
Second, this is qualifying, if Alonso would't have span with used tyres he would probably have been on Q3 and manage high 1.25's . Around 1s or bit less of Pole position. It is not ideal but it is not as bad as last year.
I think we have to measure ourselves relative to the competition, and the best case scenario today would have seen us 7th and 16th. Still pretty poor and worse than last years 5th and 8th.
Third, tomorrow is the race and as we know from last year degradation plays a great factor as does the race pace.
We saw last year that it worked for some drivers to miss Q3 to use fresh tyres and this year all teams are suffering for the high degradation as all are commenting on interviews.
With such an unbalanced car we will suffer from high degradation.
So what it is important is to win the races and the championship at the end of the year. So until Spain grand prix I am not alarmed yet about Ferrari. Everything can happen on the next three races.
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You have to hit the ground running to win the championship. Recent history will tell you that. I wish i had your optimism, but there is no coming back from this. Miracles don't happen in F1. We just have to learn from this experience to make sure it never happens again.

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Gerhard Berger wrote: You have to hit the ground running to win the championship. Recent history will tell you that. I wish i had your optimism, but there is no coming back from this. Miracles don't happen in F1. We just have to learn from this experience to make sure it never happens again.
Totally agree! Wich team started the year in Q2 and won the titles? This year it's over and F2012 it's a big failure.

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Having seen how qually went, I'll revise my race outcome prediction:
1. Hamilton
2. Button
3. Schumacher

I expect the red bulls to struggle in the race – their norm is to set up more for qualifying than the race in recent years.

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Afterburner wrote: Wich team started the year in Q2 and won the titles? This year it's over and F2012 it's a big failure.
Ferrari in 2008 with Kimi.
Not the engineer at Force India

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Tim.Wright wrote:
Afterburner wrote: Wich team started the year in Q2 and won the titles? This year it's over and F2012 it's a big failure.
Ferrari in 2008 with Kimi.
Last I checked, Lewis Hamilton was 2008 world champion ;)

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Tim.Wright wrote:
Afterburner wrote: Wich team started the year in Q2 and won the titles? This year it's over and F2012 it's a big failure.
Ferrari in 2008 with Kimi.
I said "team", not driver, Massa qualified 4th in that year...

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Red Bull is a big surprise. I expect Mercedes are about even with Lotus, a few tenths behind Mclaren. The Williams was a surprise as well.
Honda!