Importance of speed at corner entry

[raymondu999]

Giood catch beelsebob =D>

[NathanOlder]

go here http://www.thef1times.com/news/display/05567

5th paragraph, last line.

Oh dear your Wrong. but we ALL knew that anyway

[Nando]

Massa said this TODAY... "and I suffered with oversteer on entry and understeer on exit"

Nando has just been telling me, this is what you want an F1 car to do for fast lap times.

And Nando reckon the Ferrari doesnt Understeer

No i haven´t. I´m talking about understeer on entry being better then oversteer on exit.

as far as time goes. Understeer while on the throttle is near impossible to see on camera. Not you me or anyone except those with telemetry can see that.

AND, it has nothing to do with the argument we are having which is understeer on entry vs oversteer on exit.

[eurocentric]

go here http://www.thef1times.com/news/display/05567

5th paragraph, last line.

Oh dear your Wrong. but we ALL knew that anyway

You mean this one

""It was difficult right from the start of FP3: the balance of the car was never what I wanted and I never managed to get a clean lap. I was always lacking grip, both on the mediums and the softs and I suffered with oversteer on entry and understeer on exit."

Highlighted so it's not missed by anyone simple!

[NathanOlder]

Cheers mate

[NathanOlder]

Understeer is hard to see, But we all saw it today. Either that or we can read Massa's & Alonso's mind making us all telepathic! and way more advanced than you. I think it'll be us seeing the understeer to be honest

[Nando]

What it appears is going on here is that you've had some racing experience and been told by someone "just tone down your entry a bit, you'll get a tighter line, get on the accelerator earlier, and get a better exit, that'll work better". This is entirely valid reasoning

That is an entirely wrong assessment taken out of the blue.

Corner exit is more important then corner entry. The reason is because there´s a straight coming after in which you loose heaps of time on. Something that does not exist when entering a corner.

What you're missing is that when the car understeers you don't get on the accelerator earlier, you get on it later, because you're spending so long getting the nose of the car into the corner.

What you don´t realize is that if your car understeers, you will take a slower entry so you hit the apex just like you would in normal.

traction out of corners is more important then traction into corners.

In racing style it is often better to sacrifice your corner entry to gain a better exit. This is not equal to "understeering into a corner has no or minimal impact on lap time".

I never said that. I said, CORNER ENTRY IS NOT ANYWHERE NEAR AS IMPORTANT AS CORNER EXIT.

Which it isn´t. Anyone who knows, KNOWS.

[Nando]

Understeer is hard to see, But we all saw it today. Either that or we can read Massa's & Alonso's mind making us all telepathic! and way more advanced than you. I think it'll be us seeing the understeer to be honest

You have failed to provide any evidence on it.
Show me a video of the car understeering in entry. on exit it´s impossible to see.

[Nando]

go here http://www.thef1times.com/news/display/05567

5th paragraph, last line.

Oh dear your Wrong. but we ALL knew that anyway

You mean this one

""It was difficult right from the start of FP3: the balance of the car was never what I wanted and I never managed to get a clean lap. I was always lacking grip, both on the mediums and the softs and I suffered with oversteer on entry and understeer on exit."

Highlighted so it's not missed by anyone simple!

[banibhusan]

I wonder what happened to the car now. Till now they seemed to have suffered from oversteer on the exits, but now its the other way around. What went wrong?

[NathanOlder]

NANDO!!! Fellipe Massa siad it!!!!!

[eurocentric]

Understeer is hard to see, But we all saw it today. Either that or we can read Massa's & Alonso's mind making us all telepathic! and way more advanced than you. I think it'll be us seeing the understeer to be honest

You have failed to provide any evidence on it.
Show me a video of the car understeering in entry. on exit it´s impossible to see.

You are channelling Brian aren't you.

I am expecting a list style breakdown of what you want in terms of answers from people any moment.

That and the mods to come along and sweep all this up, it's keeping me occupied at work though.

[Nando]

Let me know if you find a quote saying understeer on entry.

Which is really what all of this started.
Many people said it was there, i said i did not see any.
Nobody has found any evidence for it.

[Gridlock]

Can you all at least agree that backwards is not the correct way to enter a corner?

[Nando]

Understeer is hard to see, But we all saw it today. Either that or we can read Massa's & Alonso's mind making us all telepathic! and way more advanced than you. I think it'll be us seeing the understeer to be honest

You have failed to provide any evidence on it.
Show me a video of the car understeering in entry. on exit it´s impossible to see.

You are channelling Brian aren't you.

I am expecting a list style breakdown of what you want in terms of answers from people any moment.

That and the mods to come along and sweep all this up, it's keeping me occupied at work though.

Why are you talking about a Brian all the time? I could care less about "Brian" whoever that is!

I´m expecting you to continue to be as dense as humanly possible to even try to comprehend anything i´ve told you.

If you actually calm down, and read my posts you will see that it does not contradict anything.

All you will see is that you have failed to answer my questions and providing any form of evidence for understeer on entry, the only noticeable kink.

understeer on entry is not even half as bad as understeer on entry, which was the discussion right from the word go.