Ferrari F2012

[Pierce89]

I am a bit confused.
We already said that Ferrari problem is lack of downforce in high speed corner that cause overstreeing.but Stefano say that our problem is lake of traction in slow corner that i think due to lake of mechanical grip that dont need exhaust downforce.
Cat anyone explain that?

It wouldn't surprise me at all to discover that everyone who's posted any ideas whatsoever about the F2012's problems is correct in their assertion(s).

I'm this close(holds thumb and pointer finger about 1/4" apart)to kicking you out of the Tifosi.

[bhall]

I like to think that my relationship with Ferrari carries with it a certain "Ike & Tina" dynamic.

Moreover, what's love got to do with it?

(And nothing changes the fact that the F2012 is awful, awful, awful, awful, awful, awful, awful, awful, awful, awful, awful, awful, awful, awful, awful, awful, awful, awful, awful, awful, awful, awful, awful, awful, awful, awful, awful, awful...)

[banibhusan]

Alonso's speed was 300.4 km/h the last one on the list.

How much will this affect his performance on Qualifying?

They are more than 12kph down on the highest speed trap. That's definitely going to cost them a lot in qualifying, may be around 3 tenths or even more.

But I am more worried about their race prospects. On the two long straights they will be more vulnerable to anyone who is close enough for a DRS move.

[Chuckjr]

Alonso's situation at Ferrari with the F2012 (and the 150 before it), reminds me of Schumacher's early Ferrari years in 96, 97 ...when he (just like Alonso) drove that p.o.s. F310 a second or more faster than it was ever capable. And everyone thought he was wasting the prime of his career. Schumacher, like Alonso's doing now, flat refused to say die or talk sh** about the team. I wonder if we are seeing the same thing happening here with Alonso. He refuses to break whatsoever. 

[waynes]

the car is a dog, however Massa yet again is miles off his team mates pace.

get rid, he's a joke.

sadly it means Alonso is driving a Minardi standard car, working wonders with it, but going nowhere. feel sorry tbh

[xpensive]

Alonso's speed was 300.4 km/h the last one on the list.

How much will this affect his performance on Qualifying?

At 312 km/h, you will cover 1 km in 11.54 seconds, while at 300 it takes you 12 seconds flat. Think about it.

That beast is a brick, but with the new push-rod nose come Spain, that will all change...

[banibhusan]

1. Front push rod or front pull rod?
2. Original exhaust or RBR exhaust?
3. McLaren sidepod or RBR sidepod?
4. New chassis or old chassis?
5. ACER duct or no ACER duct?
6. FWFD or no FWFD?

Rumours, rumours and more rumours!!! Geez. Seems like this year, its the rumours that's driving the Ferrari, not their car.

Note: If I forgot something on the list, feel free to add it.

[Crucial_Xtreme]

Martin Brundle confirms from Ferrari mechanics/engineers that the pull rod suspension isn't the problem. I believe the exact words from Ferrari were "since when did a suspension cause a lack of downforce?"

[Bomber_Pilot]

Was Alonso's KERS working in Q3?

[AnthonyG]

the car is a dog, however Massa yet again is miles off his team mates pace.

get rid, he's a joke.

sadly it means Alonso is driving a Minardi standard car, working wonders with it, but going nowhere. feel sorry tbh

Massa was not further away from Alonso this session then Rosberg was from Schumacher.
Considering his driving style really doesn't fit this car, I see no reason to drop him yet. (may sound strange, I know)
If the car gets more driveable, Massa can match Alonso. And If turbo's appear again, his driving style will probably suit it better than Alonso's.

P.S. Those who say Massa didn't winn a race since 2008, that's a lie, or did they forget "Alonso is faster then you"?

[bhall]

Martin Brundle confirms from Ferrari mechanics/engineers that the pull rod suspension isn't the problem. I believe the exact words from Ferrari were "since when did a suspension cause a lack of downforce?"

I hope someone from Ferrari really didn't say that.

I can think of two ways - ride height and porpoising - and I'm not all that smart.

[Vanja #66]

Massa was not further away from Alonso this session then Rosberg was from Schumacher.
Considering his driving style really doesn't fit this car, I see no reason to drop him yet. (may sound strange, I know)
If the car gets more driveable, Massa can match Alonso. And If turbo's appear again, his driving style will probably suit it better than Alonso's.

P.S. Those who say Massa didn't winn a race since 2008, that's a lie, or did they forget "Alonso is faster then you"?

The hell he can match him, he drove 0.2s slower on Medium tires than Alonso on Hard compound... And Smedley told him: "Good effort." It's ridiculous!

Martin Brundle confirms from Ferrari mechanics/engineers that the pull rod suspension isn't the problem. I believe the exact words from Ferrari were "since when did a suspension cause a lack of downforce?"

No use, some people will still insist on being smarter than an entri team...

bhallg, you're right, but I think they meant lack of rear downforce. It's all narrowly connected, but the point is that real problem lies in the lack of rear DF, not the front suspension... Dont see why this discussion is still ongoing...

Was Alonso's KERS working in Q3?

As far as I saw, it was... His time was slower than in Q2 since he will be slow no matter what, so it's better to preserve the tires for start of the race and first stint, than ruin them for sake of single position up... He will make it up on the start, always does.

[Crucial_Xtreme]

Martin Brundle confirms from Ferrari mechanics/engineers that the pull rod suspension isn't the problem. I believe the exact words from Ferrari were "since when did a suspension cause a lack of downforce?"

I hope someone from Ferrari really didn't say that.

I can think of two ways - ride height and porpoising - and I'm not all that smart.

You're missing the point. They can adjust ride height. Porpoising, McLaren for instance did it plenty last year. No problems. And the F2012 isn't having porpoising problems.

[motobaleno]

this thread is embarassing...I remember you that this is f1technical...it seems to me that most of you are a little bit too emotional to stay here...

[bhall]

bhall, you're right, but I think they meant lack of rear downforce. It's all narrowly connected, but the point is that real problem lies in the lack of rear DF, not the front suspension... Dont see why this discussion is still ongoing...

'Cause that's what we do around here. Haven't you noticed?

Ferrari's problems are well documented. We all know what they are. It just reeks of ignorance for a Ferrari team member, whoever it is, to say something like that.