Mercedes AMG F1 W03

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hollus wrote:Whiteblue cited simplicity and redundancy in the design, but I am still to see a F1 team trade that for a higher COG, so I'll assume that is not the case.
That is not at all what I have said. My view is that using just one pipe would probably cause problems to get the signal across. Fusing the two pipes and routing the fused pipe through the tub would be an additional problem because the diameter would be bigger. They may have buried the pipes in the side wall of the tub which would make use of the symmetry. If that assumption is correct you would rather use two small tubes instead of one big.
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I think W03 is basically a good car but the first two races just did not allow for showing its race pace.the car has speed ,otherwise it could not produce the laptimes.
The real problem is the engineering team trackside is late with understanding what the car really needs setup wiseand as it went wrong in race 1 i think they tried to be too clever for race two neglecting to allow for the possibility rain periods.rosberg was so much focused on "saving " the tyres that he felt them destroyed when they just had lost all temp due to his nursing them ....how the team did not realise the tyre pressures were dropping like a stone..

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siskue2005 wrote:
raymondu999 wrote:I don't think we can particularly see that to be honest. They could be in fact just running more downforce, and letting the W-duct take care of the extra drag - rather than adding straight line speed per se. McLaren used to do that with their F-duct in 2010...
then how come they similar top speeds to mclaren in quly & race?
they are running more downforce than the others probably. Too bad the the cars window of working the tyres is so small.
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If we look at Brawn's statement they concentrate more on race setup.
Brawn has denied suggestions that Mercedes has focused too much on producing a car that is quick for qualifying at the expense of its pace over a race distance.

"Our objective is to build the best car we can for the race - and our qualifying performances are a consequence of that," he said. "Nothing has been consciously done to focus on making the car quick in qualifying, and not so good in the race, because under the current rules - with DRS and the number of pitstops - there are no real rewards for doing so.
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I think Brawn's just stating - much more aptly - what I was saying earlier that their Daffy Duct isn't the end-all, be-all device that previous "quirky" innovations were. The Daffy Duct is an optimization of DRS in much the same way cascade wings are an optimization of the front wing. If it proves worthwhile, it will certainly be adopted by other teams as long as it remains legal. But, I highly doubt there will be a mad rush to implement it as soon as possible.

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I hope they solve this problem in/by Mugello. I am also hoping for some good upgrades to the car in Spain.

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marcush. wrote:I think W03 is basically a good car but the first two races just did not allow for showing its race pace.the car has speed ,otherwise it could not produce the laptimes.
The real problem is the engineering team trackside is late with understanding what the car really needs setup wiseand as it went wrong in race 1 i think they tried to be too clever for race two neglecting to allow for the possibility rain periods.rosberg was so much focused on "saving " the tyres that he felt them destroyed when they just had lost all temp due to his nursing them ....how the team did not realise the tyre pressures were dropping like a stone..
Which is why I felt Missing the 1st test was a blunder. They debuted their W-duct on the last test anyway. Now Brawn is crying for more setup time to understand the car which will lock huge potential. Setups always give much more time than 1-2 weeks in the windtunnel.


Running the new Pirelli on the old car was useless. I said it. It is a huge difference. Different sidepods,new Front Wing,Stepped Nose,No EBB & new exhaust,sliggtly different packaging & new rear wing & turning vanes.

The Old car was no baseline. Now this 4 days of running would have made Huge difference especially because Jerez had this cold & different conditions to Barcelona & was different less high speed track.

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yep.
The car was reportedly ready anyways and it was more a strategic decision not to run . to look too much on what others do is always a bad idea.
protecting your ideas is one thing but to compromise your own work being too worried about people starting to copy is just useless crap.
Anyways the system is not easily integrated into a finished project ...so what? The old rule you cannot resubmit your tub for crash testing is gone anyways so if someone decides to go for it -it will be possible.

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marcush. wrote:yep.
The car was reportedly ready anyways and it was more a strategic decision not to run . to look too much on what others do is always a bad idea.
protecting your ideas is one thing but to compromise your own work being too worried about people starting to copy is just useless crap.
Anyways the system is not easily integrated into a finished project ...so what? The old rule you cannot resubmit your tub for crash testing is gone anyways so if someone decides to go for it -it will be possible.
I agree. If this was done simply to protect their innovation... which is useful only in qualyfying... it has backfired on them.

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The worst part is that they don't even have the quickest car in qualifying in any case!

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Tyler wrote:The worst part is that they don't even have the quickest car in qualifying in any case!
Not the outright quickest... but they had a shot at pole.

Also from qualifying 6-10th to qualifying in the top 5 is a decent jump.

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Tyler wrote:The worst part is that they don't even have the quickest car in qualifying in any case!
Maybe they do! :wink: Nico just needs to get back into his stride.
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To be honest - Nico to me always seems to choke when he's in a frontrunning car/position. Having said that - if you took 3 tenths as an average of how much he's been outqualifying Schumacher over the past two seasons - those 3 tenths ahead of Schumacher would have given him pole position.
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^ I don't think that's relevant anymore though - Michael seems to either be driving better or the car suits his style more, either way he seems to be genuinely quicker in the W03 thus far than Nico.
Sorry, won't say anything more about that ;)

Surely it wouldn't have been much more difficult to have set up this W-Duct system to work passively - they would then be able to male use of it in the race not just qualifying, where it obviously seems to be working.
It just seems like a good idea which up until now they haven't really been able to extract the max out of.

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Tyler wrote:It just seems like a good idea which up until now they haven't really been able to extract the max out of.
There is not indication that it is a good idea or if it is that they have any chance of gaining more performance from it.

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