Ferrari F2012

[bhall]

Ferrari geniuses? If anything, sir, I think 2012 has taught us that such individuals aren't to be found anywhere. They've gone the way of the dodo bird. But, I welcome the addition of your delusions to the collective, nonetheless. Sometimes that's all we have to keep us going.

EDIT: Unrelated, but, for the love of Jah, why can no one see the lift potential in these Bernoulli playgrounds that Ferrari calls sidepods?


(Click to enlarge, at your own risk. And don't judge my artistic abilities.)

[Chuckjr]

In the area directly under where it reads acer on the F2012, why is there such a large surface area? If you look at the Macca or Red Bull, this area is very small. Meaning below the exhaust growth on the Macca it's a much smaller pinch and on the Red Bull it's just a slit for the lower pod airflow to go under the exhaust output, but on the Ferrari it's a billboard. Could this large area be causing the air to move too slowly for the coanda effect, or does that have nothing to do with this part of the car?

[Pierce89]

Ferrari geniuses? If anything, sir, I think 2012 has taught us that such individuals aren't to be found anywhere. They've gone the way of the dodo bird. But, I welcome the addition of your delusions to the collective, nonetheless. Sometimes that's all we have to keep us going.

EDIT: Unrelated, but, for the love of Jah, why can no one see the lift potential in these Bernoulli playgrounds that Ferrari calls sidepods?


(Click to enlarge, at your own risk. And don't judge my artistic abilities.)

Sure there is lift potential, but this is still a car from a top F1 team and they would've seen and rectified that. It's only a second from the front. That still requires a car that's generating good DF. It's not a Skip Barber special.

[omar2726]

Aren't sidepods and the coke bottle shape really have lift producing behaviors? But the benefits (better airflow to the rear), greatly outweigh the lift potential right?

[bhall]

But, as our esteemed new member has very helpfully pointed out, the air flow at the rear of the car is not as such to extract the low pressure area that builds at the front of the sidepod. That may have been OK had the Acer Ducks produced their intended downforce, but now those ducks are just flapping their wings.

[alogoc]

The Byrne floor unlikley in China because exhaust will be the same!!?

[F1.Ru]

From alonso's simulation pic and also from massa's Ferrari it's seems to me that Ferrari added a Sauber inspired [which is really Ferrari-2009 inspired] nose hole to re-attached airflow to the car. that can be seen from the pic after resetting the expouser of the pic given earlier. The nose hole can be seen in the circle. R we gonna see a Sauber exhaust as well as an interim solution.

[myurr]

From alonso's simulation pic and also from massa's Ferrari it's seems to me that Ferrari added a Sauber inspired [which is really Ferrari-2009 inspired] nose hole to re-attached airflow to the car. that can be seen from the pic after resetting the expouser of the pic given earlier. The nose hole can be seen in the circle. R we gonna see a Sauber exhaust as well as an interim solution.

Or it's a hole in the nose in the simulator that's there for another reason.

They really won't be fitting new parts to the simulator like that. There's simply no reason to do so!

[Forza]

These holes -openings in the monocoque are there to allow the access to suspension parts. Here you can see it on the F10 without its access panel.


And if you look closer the F60 chassis have them in the same place as the one from the simulator

[raymondu999]

Maybe it's just a retired monocoque rhat they use for the sim?

[amouzouris]

Maybe it's just a retired monocoque rhat they use for the sim?

maybe..but wouldn't it be more realistic for the driver if they used a newer monocoque so that they are in the position and angle that they will really be driving?

[Crucial_Xtreme]

Maybe it's just a retired monocoque rhat they use for the sim?

maybe..but wouldn't it be more realistic for the driver if they used a newer monocoque so that they are in the position and angle that they will really be driving?

I understand your thinking, but it doesn't make sense to me, not this early in the year. Making a whole brand new tub just to have it sit is a waste of time when teams are all out either trying to catch up to the competition or stay ahead of it, when last years(or older) will work. It's obviously not so much about how you're sitting but what you're accomplishing although as you say a current year monocoque would be more realistic. I just don't think it's necessary. I believe most teams use a older tub & upgrade them periodically.


As for the new parts for China, I'd say possibly a new wing, maybe more modifications to the RW. I noticed that the F2012's RW was modified for Australia; the strakes on the end plates but also the end plate extensions. In testing there was 3 vanes & in AUS and MAL there were only two.

[Lycoming]

Maybe it's just a retired monocoque rhat they use for the sim?

maybe..but wouldn't it be more realistic for the driver if they used a newer monocoque so that they are in the position and angle that they will really be driving?

It probably doesn't change much if at all year to year, and the only difference would be slight cosmetic changes at the fringe of their field of view.

[amouzouris]

@Lycoming IIRC they changed quite a bit the sitting angle for this year..

[marcush.]

Maybe it's just a retired monocoque rhat they use for the sim?

maybe..but wouldn't it be more realistic for the driver if they used a newer monocoque so that they are in the position and angle that they will really be driving?

I understand your thinking, but it doesn't make sense to me, not this early in the year. Making a whole brand new tub just to have it sit is a waste of time when teams are all out either trying to catch up to the competition or stay ahead of it, when last years(or older) will work. It's obviously not so much about how you're sitting but what you're accomplishing although as you say a current year monocoque would be more realistic. I just don't think it's necessary. I believe most teams use a older tub & upgrade them periodically.


As for the new parts for China, I'd say possibly a new wing, maybe more modifications to the RW. I noticed that the F2012's RW was modified for Australia; the strakes on the end plates but also the end plate extensions. In testing there was 3 vanes & in AUS and MAL there were only two.

the seatbox you need for the simulator does not need to be of the same spec and not complete but geometrically compact reproducing seating ,pedal and steering position including traverl and forces otherwise there is no sensible use of it.