Bahrain GP situation: postponed, reinstated, cancelled

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Race in Bahrain?

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Don't care either way.
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No.
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Hail22
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Rumour has it the fellow who was on hunger strike has died in prison, seems like a big issue to me...
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Hail22 wrote:http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/formul ... ds-newsxml

Bernie is too busy counting the money so he has decided to place the decision on the teams all of a sudden?
He is following the same path as last year.

He intends to be the last person to lose money if the race is cancelled.

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quick question.

is F1 is the only sport that still trying to enter Bahrain?
or is there any other sports facing same condition F1 facing now towards Bahrain?

On one side I really would like to see what the people there will do if the Grand Prix still going. But on the other side, i can stand what damage will be done to F1 if anything bad happened.
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Hail22 wrote:Bernie is too busy counting the money so he has decided to place the decision on the teams all of a sudden?
Nah. That's Bernie's way of softening the ground prior to an announcement that the race has been cancelled. The issue is already decided.

Next he'll say that he really thinks F1 should have gone to Bahrain, that everything would have been just fine, but the teams were adamant about about their safety concerns.

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richard_leeds wrote:That's standard, he'll be wanting to move the decision to most politically acceptable option.

Also, if he cancels then he'll forfeit the fee, if the circuit cancels they'll forfeit the contract. The only escape route is for the teams to cite safety reasons. Then everyone can express the will to participate, contracts stay in place, money doesn't need to be handed back.
Bernie is really shrewd that way. Doesn't surprise me at all.

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Adam Cooper on Twitter:

FOTA reminds us that any Bahrain decision is the responsibility of the FIA, not the teams:

15 all...

FIA to serve.

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"One of the teams sent a person over there recently - and I've spoken to them today actually - and they said everything's perfect, there's no problem," said Ecclestone. "They've been to the circuit, they've been everywhere in Bahrain and they are very happy."
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Extremist groups are using "scare-mongering tactics" in a bid to exaggerate the unrest in Bahrain and force the cancellation of the country's Formula One race, the circuit chairman claimed Tuesday.
There have been growing calls for the April 22 Bahrain Grand Prix to be canceled for a second consecutive year because of daily clashes between security forces and anti-government protesters that have led to 50 deaths. A jailed activist on a two-month hunger strike has also galvanized rights groups leading the opposition to the race.

But circuit organizers have stepped up efforts to counter fears that the tiny Gulf island was too dangerous for racing.
What has been happening is that armchair observers β€” who have not been sufficiently interested or committed to investigate the situation for themselves β€” have been driving this debate, at the expense of those neutral parties who have taken the trouble to investigate the situation at first hand," Bahrain International Circuit chairman Zayed Al Zayani said in a statement. "This, combined with the scare-mongering tactics of certain small extremist groups on social networking sites, has created huge misconceptions about the current situation."

In a bid to highlight support from the teams to race in Bahrain, organizers released excerpts from a report they said was prepared by Lotus after visiting visited Bahrain.

"There is a need to keep the circuit and the teams secure and they (race organizers) are doing this and they feel very comfortable about the arrangements," the report by unnamed Lotus officials read. "If there is going to be protestation then it will be confined to peaceful protests β€” you will maybe see some banners being waved and maybe some tires on fire, but that is all they expect. We came away from Bahrain feeling a lot more confident that everything is in hand."

Earlier Tuesday, F1 boss Bernie Ecclestone said it was up to the teams to decide whether to travel to Bahrain and that he couldn't force their hand.

"We can't say, 'You've got to go' β€” although they would be in breach of their agreement with us if they didn't go β€” but it doesn't help," he said. "Commercially they have to go, but whether they decide to or not is up to them. I've had no one say anything other than, 'We're going to be racing in Bahrain.'"

But the Formula One Teams Association, which represents seven of the 12 outfits, said that a decision on canceling the race is up to the governing body.

"There's been some media speculation recently to the effect that the teams may seek to cancel this year's Bahrain Grand Prix," FOTA said in a statement. "That would not be possible. Teams are unable to cancel (a) Grand Prix. We race in an international series called the FIA Formula 1 World Championship, and it is therefore for the FIA to offer the teams guidance on these issues."

Bahrain's Sunni rulers want to see the race go off as part of their efforts to show the divided country is on the road to recovery. But while much of the country is safe, many Shiite villages on the outskirts of the capital Manama are scenes of nightly clashes between security forces in riot gear often using tear gas and stun grenades against rock and fire bomb-throwing protesters.

An explosion Monday injured at least seven Bahraini policemen, officials said, in the latest report of violence between the two sides.

Protesters haven't targeted the circuit so far but they have shut down major highways and have used opposition to the race to rally their supporters β€” incorporating anti-F1 chants into their marches, plastering anti-Formula One posters on walls and criticizing Ecclestone and race drivers on social media websites.

The crackdown on anti-government protests last year left at least 50 people dead.
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Good ole Bernie humour here, guess he needs to line his pockets for upcoming pension/retirement.


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Bernie says something along the lines of " I can't make the teams go" and the teams are all saying "Its the FIA's call".

I feel like everybody is just standing around waiting uncomfortably and that the race will end up going ahead even though it shouldn't. I suspect that even if things seem fine now, the race itself could prove to be a catalyst for something far worse.

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Why shouldn't it? What harm does F1do? Only people can do harm to themselves not the sport.
the race itself could prove to be a catalyst for something far worse.
This is because of sensationalists who want "mess" to go down and you are all falling into their ploy.
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It's as much of a political statement to cancel blindly as it is to blindly proceed. All F1 - whoever that happens to be at the moment ("not me!") - can really do is make a determination that addresses safety.

I personally think the decision has been made to cancel and the rest is but a formality. I've been wrong before, though.

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n smikle wrote:Why shouldn't it? What harm does F1do? Only people can do harm to themselves not the sport.
You appear to have missed all the discussion of the last week. The race has ceased to be a sporting event and become a political issue.

The Bahrain crown prince has dubbed the race as "unif1cation". The opposition has called for the race to be cancelled to prevent such political abuse.

Bishop Desmond Tutu:
If you are neutral in situations of injustice, you have chosen the side of the oppressor. If an elephant has its foot on the tail of a mouse and you say that you are neutral, the mouse will not appreciate your neutrality.
F1 simply cannot stay neutral because Al-Khalifa has already politicised the GP. Using F1 for political purposes is prohibited by the FiA code. The Turks have been punished heavily for much smaller transgressions. So apart from the security concerns we also have an internal FiA motive to cancel the race.

If that isn't enough to cancel you should also consider that the responsible FiA officials (J. Todt mainly) will have an internal liability in case of casualties happening around or at the race. If they go ahead despite the tons of advise to the contrary and casualties occur they will loose their jobs and fall in shame. Todt is much too careful to risk his name for such a thing.
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Hail22
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http://www.guardian.co.uk/sport/2012/ap ... sfeed=true

I guess the race is going ahead, I hope they reap the whirlwind if anything bad happens during the Grand Prix...
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Morning all.

Refugee from the Autosport boards as the Bahrain topic has resulted in bans and removed posts, but reading here it seems the topic is open to debate.

I kept making awkward comments/observations. Oh well. I am more in to the cars and tech side of things, so this seems a good place to get shipwrecked.

A couple of thoughts I have been having.

Could Bernie want the race to go ahead in the "there is no such thing as bad publicity" way of thinking? Would trouble at the race put F1 on the top of the news agenda around the world? And would Bernie see that as a bad thing?

Also, I wonder if the "Monarchy" want the race to go ahead and for there to be trouble. The protestors have been pretty much spoken of as "peacful", but if they let off bombs, attack track staff or team personal, it would be a PR disaster for them. Maybe that is what the Monarch wants?

This is a mess for sure.