Ferrari F2012

[Crucial_Xtreme]

why cant i see my posts?! there is a big delay from when i post to when they come up? im new to this forum.
I have two great photos that work in "preview" I want to submit..

From the pictures I saw today, Ferrari didn't have the gills installed on top of the side pods close to the driver. As for the lateral wing, that may very well be a possibility.

Yeah, I also saw that picture, but look at my post above, very much looks like grills to me!

You're right. They are on one car & not the other. Good spot. I think that might happen with the new engine cover too. They're doing it with the FW too. If you look at Mazdaboys post on page 206 at the end of one post & beginning of another are both versions of FW

[Tobi1315]

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Yep! Great forum and fast support, been following F1 for the last 10 years and always been interested in the technical side of thing, just didnt know forums like this existed, until now that is

[f1316]

You're right. They are on one car & not the other. Good spot. I think that might happen with the new engine cover too. They're doing it with the FW too. If you look at Mazdaboys post on page 206 at the end of one post & beginning of another are both versions of FW

As I said earlier, Red Bull have confirmed they are running different exhaust configurations on each car in first practice, and it certainly looks likely that Ferrari might do something similar (that is, try different specs with different drivers, not necessarily anything to do with the exhaust).

[PistoneRovente]

why cant i see my posts?! there is a big delay from when i post to when they come up? im new to this forum.
I have two great photos that work in "preview" I want to submit..

From the pictures I saw today, Ferrari didn't have the gills installed on top of the side pods close to the driver. As for the lateral wing, that may very well be a possibility.

Yeah, I also saw that picture, but look at my post above, very much looks like grills to me!

I'm pretty sure the gills/grills were there already in Sepang

http://www.google.co.uk/imgres?imgurl=h ... EwAg&dur=1

[f1316]

You're right. They are on one car & not the other. Good spot. I think that might happen with the new engine cover too. They're doing it with the FW too. If you look at Mazdaboys post on page 206 at the end of one post & beginning of another are both versions of FW

As I said earlier, Red Bull have confirmed they are running different exhaust configurations on each car in first practice, and it certainly looks likely that Ferrari might do something similar (that is, try different specs with different drivers, not necessarily anything to do with the exhaust).

So, actually, to continue you that thought, what might the two configs be?

It might appear as if one will be in complete Malaysia spec and the other will have all of the below new components:

New engine cover/cooling exit
Lateral wings (or the beginnings thereof)
New front wing (correct me if I'm wrong, but we're just talking about new end plates here)

Anything else? Is there merit to this accumaltive approach? Or, does it make more sense to try a "base" car - say, in Malaysia setup - and then trial each new component seperately? Or, in fact, is it likely that these three, and other, updates have to be used in conjunction?

Many questions and speculations, I know.

[Tobi1315]

From the pictures I saw today, Ferrari didn't have the gills installed on top of the side pods close to the driver. As for the lateral wing, that may very well be a possibility.

Yeah, I also saw that picture, but look at my post above, very much looks like grills to me!

I'm pretty sure the gills/grills were there already in Sepang

http://www.google.co.uk/imgres?imgurl=h ... EwAg&dur=1

You are right! but did they run them in the race or just practice?

[PistoneRovente]

I'm pretty sure the gills/grills were there already in Sepang

http://www.google.co.uk/imgres?imgurl=h ... EwAg&dur=1[/quote]

You are right! but did they run them in the race or just practice?[/quote]

Looks like they run it all week end in Sepang

http://www.formula1.com/gallery/race/20 ... riday.html

http://www.formula1.com/gallery/race/20 ... urday.html

http://www.formula1.com/gallery/race/20 ... unday.html

[bhall]

I nicked this from the C31 thread.

That, my friends, is what Ferrari meant to do. (Well, you know what I mean.)

EDIT: I think I could stare at these pictures for an hour, given all the time I've looked at those stupid Acer ducts.

[banibhusan]

These are the things that will be new in the Ferrari, at least as of now:

1) New engine cover with cooling adjustments, more like Sauber's. And rumours are that they have made some changes in the radiator packaging for this new cooling solution. But no one has confirmed it yet.
2) New winglets just behind the mirror and the single winglet seen in Aus and Malaysia are removed.
3) Rear suspension tweaks.
4) Modified FW element.
5) New brake duct turning vanes.

Add to the list if you come across anything suspicious.

Edit: Did I miss the hypothetical "Bryne floor"?? Let it be, it's anyways hypothetical.

[amouzouris]

These are the things that will be new in the Ferrari, at least as of now:

1) New engine cover with cooling adjustments, more like Sauber's. And rumours are that they have made some changes in the radiator packaging for this new cooling solution. But no one has confirmed it yet.
2) New winglets just behind the mirror and the single winglet seen in Aus and Malaysia are removed.
3) Rear suspension tweaks.
4) Modified FW element.
5) New brake duct turning vanes.

Add to the list if you come across anything suspicious.

Edit: Did I miss the hypothetical "Bryne floor"?? Let it be, it's anyways hypothetical.

where are the updates confirmed?? rear suspension modified to cope with the lower rear right height (i.e. less rake)??

[volarchico]

Oh man, those reflections went and sprouted little wings! And if all the speculation comes true, one day they will grow up to be big Sauber-wings.

But more seriously, what's the point of having a wing directly behind the other? You would think the first one would create the necessary aerodynamic effect and the second would be blanked out by the first.

EDIT: Nevermind...after looking closer these don't appear to be really for vortex generation, but instead to help turn the flow over the sidepod sort of like a slat of an airplane wing. And actually, it seems they would be generating some lift, not downforce.

[amouzouris]

Oh man, those reflections went and sprouted little wings! And if all the speculation comes true, one day they will grow up to be big Sauber-wings.

But more seriously, what's the point of having a wing directly behind the other? You would think the first one would create the necessary aerodynamic effect and the second would be blanked out by the first.

EDIT: Nevermind...after looking closer these don't appear to be really for vortex generation, but instead to help turn the flow over the sidepod sort of like a slat of an airplane wing. And actually, it seems they would be generating some lift, not downforce.

its shape is designed to create lift ..yes..BUT..the leading edge is angled downwards so i would guess that it neglects the lift of the shape...i think they are there for flow conditioning..

[volarchico]

It's all about local flow angle though. Though the leading edge is angled down, I'd have thought the local flow in that region was coming from low-to-high into/over the sidepod. So perhaps they are just flow conditioners aligned with the local flow to help it turn over the top of the sidepod.

[gray41]

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Anyone think these could eventually join up the the split barge boards making two wings?

also is this even allowed, they'll all start sprouting wings all over at this rate.

[bhall]

Borowed from sauber tread. Could be the new two winglets extended and go to the sides like it is in here?

That may not be necessary*. If you look at the Ferrari mirrors in comparison to those found on the Sauber, it's possible their placement has much the same effect as Sauber's horizontal element over the sidepod.

Since mirrors are required, it makes sense to mitigate that mandatory drag by putting them to use in as many ways as possible. Using them as flow conditioners follows that logic. The Red Bull mirrors are very much the same way, and they also don't have a full element over the sidepod.


* Obviously, nothing is certain.