Ferrari F2012

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bhall
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There are so many interactions at any singular point on an F1 car that it's really quite impossible to analyze anything in isolation.

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myurr wrote:It's a longer chord length [...]
Thanks. The SPEED stream is so pixelated that I couldn't be sure.

There does seem to be a lot of movement toward longer length chords, and I'm interested to find out exactly why.

myurr
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Crucial_Xtreme wrote:
myurr wrote:Unfortunately your simulations are wrong as they assume a horizontal local flow. The local flow will not be horizontal.
The flow is pretty close to horizontal. No?

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That delta wing has been removed and look at the upward flow just behind it. That will move forward slightly and could be right in the path of the new winglets.

The flovis also doesn't really show the flow where the winglets are. Do we have air spilling over the top, coming up from underneath, etc.?

Raptor22
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THe flow is clearly not horizontal in the area of the winglets accoriding to the flo vis. Remove that fence and the flow will continue upward. Those winglets help turn the flow and direct it along the side pod.

They're an aerodynamic crutch

bhall
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Crutches are pretty popular in F1 these days.

Crucial_Xtreme
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More China pictures

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myurr
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Great photos. That car still looks like the most poorly manufactured car amongst the front runners. So many small details where the car looks just patched together or held together by polyfilla.

bhall
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Ha! What makes it worse is that my first reaction to seeing these photos was the thought, hey, Ferrari seems to be coming around with their quality control.

That Ferrari's decline in craftsmanship coincides with a similar improvement at Mercedes makes me think Costa's loss will eventually be seen as a big mistake, if that hasn't crystallized already.

EDIT: Where do you find all of these photos? I thought I knew how to search the Interwebz with the best of 'em, but I never run into this stuff.

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Mr.G
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Due to the "poorly manufactured" parts. I think this is due rapid prototype technology. If they want to save some time and manuifacture the parts quicklier they lower the tolerances and make the parts easier to build.
When they will be realy sure the parts give the performance they want, then the parts will be manufactured in better quality.
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bhallg2k wrote:Ha! What makes it worse is that my first reaction to seeing these photos was the thought, hey, Ferrari seems to be coming around with their quality control.

That Ferrari's decline in craftsmanship coincides with a similar improvement at Mercedes makes me think Costa's loss will eventually be seen as a big mistake, if that hasn't crystallized already.

EDIT: Where do you find all of these photos? I thought I knew how to search the Interwebz with the best of 'em, but I never run into this stuff.
What looks so bad to you guys? The cooling gills at the rear where it looks like they cut them out with a pocket knife? Those were there last year too.
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myurr
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In each picture you can see something that looks a little rough, or taped together, or has a ragged edge, or has a messily applied sticker, etc. It's nowhere near as polished as a McLaren for example.

Message from Ted in the pitlane is that as the front left tyres came off the McLaren they were looking pretty clean and good, but on the Ferrari there was a lot of graining.

Edit: To provide more detail on the poor manufacturing: on the front wing look at the rough and inaccurate surface around the top parts of the little ducts and the polyfilla around the base of each duct; on the side pod turning vanes look at the big patch on the side pod behind them with the scuffed up edges and poor finish on the vane itself around where it attaches with the screw; the vents at the back which as you point out look like they've been cut by a four year old with a pen knife; the first picture of the rear wing, look around the screws for more scuffed up edges and poor finish, a poorly fitting little cover below and another sticker further down. There are many many more examples around the car.

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elFranZ
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Looks like they're trying to get some more top speed, or am I missing the point?

p.s. thank you guys for all the shots posted. Simply a great job.

afiq
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New gills on the RW endplate.
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Alonso RW with 4 gills, Massa RW with 3 gills. The new gills slope downwards towards the back while the old one looks straight.
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The old one as reference
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Pierce89
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bhallg2k wrote:
EDIT: Where do you find all of these photos? I thought I knew how to search the Interwebz with the best of 'em, but I never run into this stuff.
Crucial has "sources". Just kidding, but the man does get hella Ferrari info.
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enz0
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Looks as if they've run nothing new other than the RW.

Raptor22
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Mr.G wrote:Due to the "poorly manufactured" parts. I think this is due rapid prototype technology. If they want to save some time and manuifacture the parts quicklier they lower the tolerances and make the parts easier to build.
When they will be realy sure the parts give the performance they want, then the parts will be manufactured in better quality.
In engineering we have not yet found a way to rapid prototype laminated carbon fibre structures...

It hink they've been moulded and then modified with a Dremel